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#1101  Postby Emergence » Jun 15, 2010 2:08 pm

THWOTH wrote:Personally, I'd like to see a paisley and daisy, hippy special with peace signs. :lol:


Here you go (<- Click) :dance: (but be advised, i do not have the rights for both patterns used and the daisy... So it's personal use only...:grin: )
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#1102  Postby Aern Rakesh » Jun 15, 2010 2:29 pm

Emergence wrote:
THWOTH wrote:Personally, I'd like to see a paisley and daisy, hippy special with peace signs. :lol:


Here you go (<- Click) :dance: (but be advised, i do not have the rights for both patterns used and the daisy... So it's personal use only...:grin: )


:lol: That is so Thwoth!
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#1103  Postby Macdoc » Jun 15, 2010 4:47 pm

Well Twoth I expect to see that in your avatar for the duration of the design process :D

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#1104  Postby Nautilidae » Jun 15, 2010 4:56 pm

I would like a Disney-themed mobius logo, please. :ask:
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#1105  Postby THWOTH » Jun 15, 2010 5:15 pm

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Emergence wrote:
THWOTH wrote:Personally, I'd like to see a paisley and daisy, hippy special with peace signs. :lol:


Here you go (<- Click) :dance: (but be advised, i do not have the rights for both patterns used and the daisy... So it's personal use only...:grin: )


:lol: That is so Thwoth!

You're right Nora. :lol: I feel truly honoured, and just a little moved. Thanks 'E' - saved to my hard-drive! :thumbup: :hug: :D <3 :oops: :mrgreen:
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#1106  Postby Emergence » Jun 15, 2010 8:56 pm

Nautilidae wrote:I would like a Disney-themed mobius logo, please. :ask:


Disney themes clearly aren't my forte, but here's for you (<-click, again, i obviously do not hold any rights for Disney products).

But that was the last. I won't be hijacking this thread any longer.
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#1107  Postby stijndeloose » Jun 15, 2010 9:02 pm

Emergence wrote:
Nautilidae wrote:Disney themes clearly aren't my forte, but here's for you (<-click, again, i obviously do not hold any rights for Disney products).


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#1108  Postby Macdoc » Jun 15, 2010 9:04 pm

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#1109  Postby Barry Cade » Jun 15, 2010 11:15 pm

Just came across this logo as I was searching for maths teaching resources. From their website, they seem a rather dour and unforgiving bunch. I know it doesn't look exactly the same, but the combination of a mobius strip and a circle/ball may prove sufficiently similar to raise a red flag. I doubt this lot would be as accommodating as the Humanist Party. Beware.

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#1110  Postby THWOTH » Jun 15, 2010 11:18 pm

Emergence wrote:
Nautilidae wrote:I would like a Disney-themed mobius logo, please. :ask:


Disney themes clearly aren't my forte, but here's for you (<-click, again, i obviously do not hold any rights for Disney products).

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#1111  Postby Delvo » Jun 16, 2010 2:28 am

I don't like any of the Mobius/infinity designs. The Mobius is essentially unrecognizable when it isn't twisted into an infinity symbol, and even then the result just looks like most other infinities without the Mobius aspect of it contributing anything visually... and the infinity symbol is already a well-established and well-known symbol with a specific meaning which, like the Mobius, has nothing to do with this place. And infinity's already in use by too many other entities, most of which are far more connected to the subject of the symbol's actual meaning than we are here.
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#1112  Postby Macdoc » Jun 16, 2010 4:47 am

Rats :scratch: ;) Image
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#1113  Postby mraltair » Jun 16, 2010 6:43 am

Barry Cade wrote:....

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That's a happy man in brackets. :shifty:
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#1114  Postby Barry Cade » Jun 16, 2010 6:06 pm

mraltair wrote:
Barry Cade wrote:....

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That's a happy man in brackets. :shifty:


True, but it's also a mobius strip. And you know what lawyers are like.
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#1115  Postby LIFE » Jun 16, 2010 6:16 pm

I'm not sure if something like the infinity symbol can be copyrighted.
The very fact that you can find a bunch of official logos who use it makes it look like it's safe to use :dunno:

Unless we can find an authoritative source (e.g. on the internet) which clearly states that it is/is not allowed I'd have to ask a lawyer which of course will cost me some $$$. I don't think any entries have to be removed as nobody is "using" them but I will have to look into it if that logo should win the competition.
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#1116  Postby mraltair » Jun 16, 2010 6:43 pm

Barry Cade wrote:
mraltair wrote:
Barry Cade wrote:....

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That's a happy man in brackets. :shifty:


True, but it's also a mobius strip. And you know what lawyers are like.


I'm with Life, i don't think you can copyright the Mobius strip. Caution should obviously be taken for everything though. I'm no lawyer but that Logo isn't technically a mobius strip because its not continuous, I'll ignore the fact that it just looks like an infinity sign (although again, not infinite). Just having a similar shape logo isn't a breach of copyright, unless of course they do look similar and confusion between is likely.
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#1117  Postby LIFE » Jun 16, 2010 7:01 pm

Pacman again!
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#1118  Postby THWOTH » Jun 16, 2010 7:01 pm

LIFE wrote:I'm not sure if something like the infinity symbol can be copyrighted.
The very fact that you can find a bunch of official logos who use it makes it look like it's safe to use :dunno:

Unless we can find an authoritative source (e.g. on the internet) which clearly states that it is/is not allowed I'd have to ask a lawyer which of course will cost me some $$$. I don't think any entries have to be removed as nobody is "using" them but I will have to look into it if that logo should win the competition.


Logos, images, names in particular fonts and other symbols of this sort are copyrighted by trademark, which identify an officially registered product with an accompanying legal restriction favourable to the owner or manufacturer. Trademarks have to be unique - you can't register one which is so similar to another registered trademark that the two might be reasonable confused.

As I said before the möbius strip is a topological entity representing a geometrical anomaly - a continuous closed surface with only one side. You cannot copyright, or trademark, thereby asserting ownership, of geometrical entities. It would be akin to asserting ownership of the isosceles triangle. Neither can you assert ownership of mathematical symbols - imagine having to pay a royalty every time you use a '%' symbol?

Now, the issue is not really the symbol itself - whether möbius or infinity symbol - but whether the use of if is similar enough to a pre-existing registered trademark which uses it/them to be reasonable confused for it. If, however, the new logo (whatever it is) incorporates the site's name as an integral part of its design, in as much as the pictogram and the domain name are necessary and inseparable elements of the logogram as a whole, then any confusion between the RatSkep logo and another will be minimal.

Basically, some symbol or other with RatSkep under, over, running down the side or though it will be sufficiently unique to not infringe copyright or trademark - in my unconsidered, non-legal opinion that is. If the pictogram/text appears on everything official produced by, for, or on behalf of the website, then how others might use it, say only in pictographic form or only in text form, is their business and nothing you can be expected to have any control over.

That's my €3's worth anyway... :|
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#1119  Postby LIFE » Jun 16, 2010 7:06 pm

THWOTH wrote:You cannot copyright, or trademark, thereby asserting ownership, of geometrical entities.


Unless of course, you're a court in Texas :lol:

Basic Geometric Shapes Are Subject to Copyright Protection

Granted, they're talking about door panels there but it's on the table nonetheless.
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#1120  Postby THWOTH » Jun 16, 2010 7:58 pm

LIFE wrote:
THWOTH wrote:You cannot copyright, or trademark, thereby asserting ownership, of geometrical entities.


Unless of course, you're a court in Texas :lol:

Basic Geometric Shapes Are Subject to Copyright Protection

Granted, they're talking about door panels there but it's on the table nonetheless.

What are those Texans like eh? :doh:

The court stated that the threshold for copyright protection is so low that copyright protects designs with only minimal degrees of creativity.

Well we should be OK here then as the degree of creativity in this thread has been way above minimal.
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