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Doubts over 'out of Africa' theory

#1  Postby trubble76 » Jun 30, 2011 1:15 pm

An ancestor of modern humans may have became extinct earlier than was previously thought, throwing doubt on a key theory of human evolution.
Homo erectus, widely considered to be a direct ancestor of our own species Homo sapiens, migrated out of Africa around 1.8 million years ago.
By around 500,000 years ago it had vanished from Africa and much of Asia, but until now was thought to have survived in Indonesia until as recently as 35,000 years ago.
Early modern humans reached the region about 40,000 years ago, and so were believed to have co-existed with their ancestors.
The new research suggests this assumption was wrong, and Homo erectus disappeared long before the arrival of Homo sapiens in Asia.


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#2  Postby Spearthrower » Jun 30, 2011 1:20 pm

I'm going to have to hunt down the paper because the abstract there is contradictory. It may challenge a particular expectation of the OOA model, but the fact that Homo sapiens came out of Africa is not contingent on whether there were extant H erectus populations. I think the writer either got confused or put too much emphasis on something that's interesting in it's own right, but largely insignificant with respects to the title and apparent conclusion.
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#3  Postby Spearthrower » Jun 30, 2011 1:30 pm

Well, there's only one recent hit for erectus, and so I assume this is the paper.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ad ... ne.0021562

I don't have time to read it now as I am preparing a seminar, but I'll take a closer look later. However, a brief flick through the discussion shows that the authors of this paper never remotely suggested anything like the abstract printed in yahoo news suggests.

If the middle Pleistocene 40Ar/39Ar ages better reflect the age of the Solo River 20 meter terrace deposits and hominins, the site of Ngandong remains a relatively late source of H. erectus; however, these H. erectus would not be the contemporaries of Neandertals and modern humans, and their chronology would widen the gap between the last surviving H. erectus and the population from Flores – whose source population has been argued to be Indonesian H. erectus [47], [48]; although this point is contested, [49]. Instead, the Ngandong hominins would be contemporaries of the H. heidelbergensis from Atapuerca, Spain and elsewhere in Europe, and, possibly the archaic H. sapiens specimen from Bodo (Ethiopia), which might favor arguments that they are more closely affiliated with these taxa and differ from H. erectus [50], [51]. Such ages for Ngandong would suggest that a series of geographically relatively isolated lineages of hominins lived during the middle Pleistocene.
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#4  Postby trubble76 » Jun 30, 2011 1:31 pm

Oh good, I just thought I'd misunderstood something. I was hoping a smarty-pants would expand on this.
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#5  Postby Spearthrower » Jun 30, 2011 5:02 pm

Well, now I've read it. The study is mostly concerned with an indepth look at the methods used previously to date these fossils, and to show that their study has come by quite significantly different dates. Still, they are very cautious about the reason for this:

In light of these results we are faced with a conundrum of opposing, yet internally consistent, estimates from different dating systems. This raises two possible scenarios: the pumices may all be reworked from older deposits, such as the Pohjajar Formation, and do not reflect the age of the Solo River deposits or hominins; alternatively, the ESR, U-series, and γ spectrometric 230Th/234U age determinations on teeth and bones, although internally consistent, may not be dating the age of deposition but of some other events of more recent hydrological activity associated with U-mobilization


Far from stating that their results are conclusive, they are pointing to a problem. How this suddenly becomes fait accompli to the writer of that magazine entry is beyond my comprehension.


Our results raise several issues for the interpretation of the Ngandong site, the intercalibration of 40Ar/39Ar age estimates and other chronometers, and the evolution of H. erectus. On the basis of geomorphology, absence of clear indicators of time-transgression at the site (e.g., mixed deposits), and the reasonable consistency of the ESR and U-series results, which argue against reworking, we suggest that, whatever their age, the fauna and hominins are of similar geological age. In the absence of any reliable 40Ar/39Ar age estimates, some of us have previously favored this to be a late Pleistocene age [3], [4]. We continue to see no basis for dismissing the earlier open system ESR and U-series dates because they meet the scientific criteria for acceptability applied to these systems. That is, they are nonrandom and internally consistent with the stratigraphy of the sites.


They're not even saying that previous dating was necessarily wrong, just pointing out inconsistencies between the studies and then they explore reasons for this:

It is the case that this age may not be that of deposition of the site, and we raise the possibility that these ages date some later geomorphologic or hydrologic event (other than the initial deposition of the sediments and hominins). Nonetheless, these age estimates certainly supply a minimum age for the site.


The last statement there is the strongest, and in fact the most meaningful point in the article.

The last paragraph of the discussion I already cited, and if anyone can point out to me where this corroborates the magazine entry, I would be very interested.

Otherwise, I think it time to send off a letter inquiring about their science coverage.
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#6  Postby Spearthrower » Jun 30, 2011 5:20 pm

Contacted one of the authors to notify them! ;)
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#7  Postby trubble76 » Jun 30, 2011 5:26 pm

Ah thanks for doing the leg-work. It does seem that particular journalist was feeling a touch over-inspired when they wrote that piece. One demerit point for the Press Association. :roll:
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#8  Postby Spearthrower » Jun 30, 2011 5:54 pm

Goodness me! The ball's really rolling now!

http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=http%3A% ... 57331.html

TuksFMNews now reports:

An ancestor of humans may have became extinct earlier than previously thought, throwing doubt on the theory of evolution


I am beginning to wonder if this signals some kind of new line of attack.
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#9  Postby trubble76 » Jun 30, 2011 6:30 pm

Meh, if the creationists are good at anything, it's clutching at straws.
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#10  Postby Spearthrower » Jul 06, 2011 12:52 pm

No retraction from the Associated Press, not even so much as an email response addressing the fact as to why they've published a complete falsification of a scientific study.
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#11  Postby Sityl » Jul 06, 2011 2:28 pm

Spearthrower wrote:No retraction from the Associated Press, not even so much as an email response addressing the fact as to why they've published a complete falsification of a scientific study.


Send it to PZ. He'll deal with it, and has enough pull to get more attention on the blatant misreporting.
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