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Re: Khmer Kingdom

#21  Postby Sendraks » Sep 23, 2014 9:54 pm

Zwaarddijk wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:Earlier

2014 > 1200 - I have a feeling the math works out! :grin:

And "fallen back as a species" - how's that make sense?


Why doesn't it make sense to you?
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Re: Khmer Kingdom

#22  Postby Onyx8 » Sep 23, 2014 10:12 pm


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Re: Khmer Kingdom

#23  Postby Zwaarddijk » Sep 23, 2014 10:30 pm

Sendraks wrote:
Zwaarddijk wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:Earlier

2014 > 1200 - I have a feeling the math works out! :grin:

And "fallen back as a species" - how's that make sense?


Why doesn't it make sense to you?

In what ways have we fallen back? Did the ancient Khmers have widespread education? Would a person born into the lowest class have any chance of hearing about wild concepts such as science? Would anything but unquestioning obedience to the upper classes ever be taught them?

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#24  Postby Spearthrower » Sep 24, 2014 8:35 am

Zwaarddijk wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:Earlier

2014 > 1200 - I have a feeling the math works out! :grin:

And "fallen back as a species" - how's that make sense?


No idea, I wasn't talking about that bit! :)
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Re: Khmer Kingdom

#25  Postby Sendraks » Sep 24, 2014 9:25 am

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In what ways have we fallen back? Did the ancient Khmers have widespread education? Would a person born into the lowest class have any chance of hearing about wild concepts such as science? Would anything but unquestioning obedience to the upper classes ever be taught them?


Who knows?

Zwaarddijk wrote:Awe for backwards religious cultures is the dumbest thing we can cultivate, seriously, even worse when we phrase it as though mankind has regressed since those days.


Yeah, you've got the wrong end of the stick here. I'm really not interested in any of that. I'm looking purely at what amounts a significant civil edifice and all the woo bullshit aside, they clearly had quite and advanced civil and administrative regime running there.
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#26  Postby Zwaarddijk » Sep 24, 2014 9:32 am

Sendraks wrote:
Zwaarddijk wrote:
In what ways have we fallen back? Did the ancient Khmers have widespread education? Would a person born into the lowest class have any chance of hearing about wild concepts such as science? Would anything but unquestioning obedience to the upper classes ever be taught them?


Who knows?

Zwaarddijk wrote:Awe for backwards religious cultures is the dumbest thing we can cultivate, seriously, even worse when we phrase it as though mankind has regressed since those days.


Yeah, you've got the wrong end of the stick here. I'm really not interested in any of that. I'm looking purely at what amounts a significant civil edifice and all the woo bullshit aside, they clearly had quite and advanced civil and administrative regime running there.

Then don't express it as the *species* regressing. Say what you mean, don't wriggle around until you can pretend you didn't say something embarassingly stupid.
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#27  Postby Sendraks » Sep 24, 2014 9:48 am

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Then don't express it as the *species* regressing. Say what you mean, don't wriggle around until you can pretend you didn't say something embarassingly stupid.


I don't recall saying anything embarrassingly stupid and your facile attempts to pretend that I did doesn't make it so. You would do well to take the time to better understand what someone else is thinking, before trying to slag them off.

While the Khemer were busy building what appears to be one hell of an impressive civic centre, Europe was busy dribbling its way through the dark ages, following the collapse of the preceding civilisation.
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Re: Khmer Kingdom

#28  Postby I'm With Stupid » Sep 24, 2014 3:08 pm

Spearthrower wrote:Sounds technical and I'm a bimbo.

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#29  Postby Alan B » Sep 24, 2014 3:18 pm

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Re: Khmer Kingdom

#30  Postby crank » Jun 11, 2016 1:06 pm

There's an update, I think, in The Guardian if anyone's still interested. Fascinating stuff.
Archaeologists in Cambodia have found multiple, previously undocumented medieval cities not far from the ancient temple city of Angkor Wat, the Guardian can reveal, in groundbreaking discoveries that promise to upend key assumptions about south-east Asia’s history.

The Australian archaeologist Dr Damian Evans, whose findings will be published in the Journal of Archaeological Science on Monday, will announce that cutting-edge airborne laser scanning technology has revealed multiple cities between 900 and 1,400 years old beneath the tropical forest floor, some of which rival the size of Cambodia’s capital, Phnom Penh.

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Some experts believe that the recently analysed data – captured in 2015 during the most extensive airborne study ever undertaken by an archaeological project, covering 734 sq miles (1,901 sq km) – shows that the colossal, densely populated cities would have constituted the largest empire on earth at the time of its peak in the 12th century.

Evans said: “We have entire cities discovered beneath the forest that no one knew were there – at Preah Khan of Kompong Svay and, it turns out, we uncovered only a part of Mahendraparvata on Phnom Kulen [in the 2012 survey] … this time we got the whole deal and it’s big, the size of Phnom Penh big.”
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