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Europe's mission to Mars

#1  Postby DougC » Mar 28, 2014 12:07 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26743089
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Europe begins Mars site selection
The European Space Agency (Esa) has published the "longlist" of eight sites it is considering as a destination for the ExoMars rover.
The 300kg vehicle will be put on the surface of the Red Planet in January 2019 to search for evidence of past or present life. It should operate for at least seven months and will carry a drill to probe up to 2m underground.
The sites are generally clustered in a relatively tight zone close to the equator. They are: Hypanis Vallis, Simud Vallis, Mawrth, Oxia Planum (x2), Coogoon Valles, Oxia Palus and Southern Isidis.
The ExoMars Landing Site Selection Working Group is meeting now in Madrid to begin the process of downselection. The teams that proposed these locations will make their case during the Spanish gathering (two, virtually identical proposals were received for Mawrth).

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26670054
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'Mars yard' to test European rover
Airbus has built a giant sand pit in Stevenage to mimic the surface of Mars.
The indoor terrain, about the size of a basketball court, will be used to test systems on the rover that Europe will send to the Red Planet in 2018.
ExoMars, as it is known, will be a six-wheeled robot tasked with finding signs of past or present life.
The UK division of Airbus Defence and Space will assemble the rover from parts built across member states of the European Space Agency (Esa).
But it has the specific role also of developing the vehicle's autonomous navigation system.

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#2  Postby Evolving » Jun 09, 2014 8:43 pm

I was just watching this on BBC iPlayer (a compilation of earlier Horizon programmes about the effort to find out stuff about Mars), and I learn that in 1964 Mariner IV went all that way, with state-of-the-art, mind-bogglingly expensive technology, for the sake of sending twenty-two black and white pictures of Mars back to Earth.

Twenty-two snapshots!

Had they waited a bit till imaging technology had caught up somewhat, it would have been a great deal more worthwhile. But I suppose they couldn't imagine such progress on such a timescale.
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#3  Postby Owdhat » Jun 09, 2014 9:35 pm

Well, the twenty two photos would have given them information to make the next trip that bit more predictable. The first ones are always disproportionately expensive.
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#4  Postby Calilasseia » Jun 10, 2014 12:04 am

The fun part being, of course, that now, with digital cameras and datalinks, a spacecraft sent to Mars can take 22 million photos, if the mission controllers want to, and fill a data warehouse with the images. Which would probably be enough to enable a Google maps version of Mars down to 10 centimetre resolution, if the photos were taken in orbit using the best digital camera technology available. Paging Hasselblad ... :mrgreen:

As for a rover, a well designed rover could probably map part of the Martian surface down to 0.1 mm resolution. If it has a mass spectrometer on board, it could probably tell you the chemical composition thereof at 10 cm steps along the way. Which shows just how far we've advanced since Mariner IV.
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#5  Postby Made of Stars » Jun 10, 2014 2:05 pm

Evolving wrote:I was just watching this on BBC iPlayer (a compilation of earlier Horizon programmes about the effort to find out stuff about Mars), and I learn that in 1964 Mariner IV went all that way, with state-of-the-art, mind-bogglingly expensive technology, for the sake of sending twenty-two black and white pictures of Mars back to Earth...

Progress, eh? Give it another fifty years, and the people standing on Mars will wonder why we spent all that time and money sending some go-karts to get some still shots and a few rock drillings. :)
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#6  Postby Weaver » Jun 10, 2014 2:28 pm

Evolving wrote:I was just watching this on BBC iPlayer (a compilation of earlier Horizon programmes about the effort to find out stuff about Mars), and I learn that in 1964 Mariner IV went all that way, with state-of-the-art, mind-bogglingly expensive technology, for the sake of sending twenty-two black and white pictures of Mars back to Earth.

Twenty-two snapshots!

Had they waited a bit till imaging technology had caught up somewhat, it would have been a great deal more worthwhile. But I suppose they couldn't imagine such progress on such a timescale.

Not sure what you mean by "caught up" - imaging technology of that time was comparable to the technology of the lander - state of the art for the time.

Now, if you think they should have delayed until imaging technology had advanced - well, if that standard were employed, nobody would ever go anywhere to explore anything.
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#7  Postby BlackBart » Jun 10, 2014 2:41 pm

So, they've built a desolate wasteland in Stevenage. How will they find it again? :ask:
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#8  Postby Matt_B » Jun 10, 2014 3:18 pm

I don't think the imaging technology on Mariner IV was the problem. Rather, it was only a fly-by mission that had a short window of around 20 minutes during which it could acquire images. These needed to be stored on a tape, which had a capacity of only a little over 5 megabits, and subsequently transmitted back to Earth over a data link capable of 8.33 bits per second, taking over a week.

Look at it that way, and it was a remarkable achievement that we got as many images from it as we did.
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#9  Postby DougC » May 02, 2016 11:17 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36186828

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Europe and Russia delay ExoMars rover project to 2020
As expected, the European and Russian space agencies have delayed their next mission to Mars from 2018 to 2020.
It is a decision that has been well telegraphed in recent months, with both agency officials and industry chiefs expressing their doubts that all the hardware could be made ready in time.
The aim of the mission is to land a rover on the Red Planet.
Capable of drilling up to 2m below the surface, it would search for signs of past or present life.
It is the second part of the so-called ExoMars programme. The first part - a satellite to study the atmosphere of the planet - was launched successfully in March and should arrive in October.

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#10  Postby DougC » May 10, 2016 11:40 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36251642

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Europe’s ExoMars rover in 'last chance saloon'
Europe's rover mission to Mars is "drinking in the last chance saloon", warns the European Space Agency's director general.
Jan Woerner has told reporters of his deep frustration that the project to put the robot on the surface of the Red Planet has been delayed yet again.
The venture could not have an open-ended schedule or budget, he said.
The ExoMars six-wheeled vehicle was originally destined to leave Earth in 2011, but will not now go until 2020.
Inability of teams to meet hardware delivery deadlines has been cited as the reason for the latest delay.
ExoMars is a two-step programme that is being developed jointly with the Russians.
The first part is a satellite to study the planet's atmosphere, and this was launched successfully in March.

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#11  Postby DavidMcC » May 17, 2016 12:43 pm

Evolving wrote:I was just watching this on BBC iPlayer (a compilation of earlier Horizon programmes about the effort to find out stuff about Mars), and I learn that in 1964 Mariner IV went all that way, with state-of-the-art, mind-bogglingly expensive technology, for the sake of sending twenty-two black and white pictures of Mars back to Earth.

Twenty-two snapshots!

Had they waited a bit till imaging technology had caught up somewhat, it would have been a great deal more worthwhile. But I suppose they couldn't imagine such progress on such a timescale.

Micro-processors weren't invented until the early '70's (IIRC, it was Intel), years after the "space-race" started.
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#12  Postby DougC » Jun 16, 2016 12:44 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36540259

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European Space Agency still backing Mars rover project
Member states of the European Space Agency have reaffirmed their commitment to launch a rover to Mars in 2020.
Meeting in Paris, delegations agreed to put the project, which has experienced serial delays, on to a fresh schedule.
They also injected an immediate extra sum of €77m (£59m), which will keep the ExoMars robot in development while a full and final solution to its financial problems is sought.
The aim is to have all matters resolved for a meeting of ministers in December.
Dr David Parker is the agency's director of human spaceflight and robotic exploration.
He told BBC News: "The challenges were set out to member states, and in the council meeting [on Wednesday] they were asked the fundamental questions: how important is this project; do you want to continue? And the very, very clear message came back that this remains a high priority for scientific and technological reasons."

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#13  Postby newolder » Oct 14, 2016 8:43 am

14 October

08:50 CEST: This morning at 08:45 GMT (10:45 CEST) ExoMars/TGO will conduct the final orbit correction manoeuvre before separation on 16 October. The manoeuvre means that TGO's thrusters will be fired for a minute or so to deliver a change in speed and direction of just 1.4 cm/second. This burn will refine the already highly accurate orbit, and line TGO up to deliver Schiaparelli on to its intended landing site on Mars.
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It seems strange, to me, that the only camera aboard will show entry, descent and landing. Surely a small camera looking out from the top would have been easy/cheap to install. :???:

10:25 CEST: This morning, the final pre-arrival team briefing was held at ESOC for everyone involved in ExoMars. Teams at ESTEC and from industry listened in via audio conference. The briefing was held to review and confirm readiness for separation on 16 October and arrival at Mars on 19 October. ExoMars/TGO orbiter and Schiaparelli demonstration lander health/status? Both GO for arrival. Schiaparelli is GO for entry, descent, landing and surface operations. TGO is GO for Mars orbit insertion. At our ESOC mission control centre: Simulation training complete; teams from Flight Dynamics, Flight Control, the ESA ground stations, networks and systems are all GO. NASA ground stations have also confirmed readiness to support. ESA's ExoMars Project Manager Don McCoy said: "People have put their hearts into souls into this. We're ready to go. Thank you to everyone."


Orbit manoeuvre went well. Lander separation on Sunday, touchdown next Wednesday...
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#14  Postby newolder » Oct 16, 2016 9:02 am

Today is separation day for the Trace Gas Orbiter and Schiaparelli lander:
For separation, releasing a 577-kg lander will make TGO wobble. This could affect the very sensitive antenna pointing needed to ensure a full data link, so mission controllers will monitor progress only via the basic radio carrier signal, with the signal acting like a beacon. The separation wobble will be visible in the Doppler data associated with the carrier signal. With a one-way signal time of about 9 min and 45 secs, mission controllers will see a first indication of progress around 16:52 CEST. A full confirmation will come later (around 17:15 CEST) once controllers re-establish the full data link with the spacecraft.
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#15  Postby laklak » Oct 16, 2016 4:14 pm

We're pretty clever for apes, eh?
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#16  Postby newolder » Oct 16, 2016 4:27 pm

True enough and separation went as well as can be expected...

Still, I have a grumble-moan about ESA's live coverage. Jeez, it was terrible - mostly a camera looking the wrong way into the Control Room, no commentator and when the camera did point at the data screen it showed mostly nothing followed by a few message boxes then the data screen changed to showing an old picture of Mars. Bloody awful and I hope ESA gets its act together a bit better for Schiaparelli Lander touchdown on Wednesday or else I'll be forced to apply for a job in their media presentation section. :nono:
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#17  Postby newolder » Oct 19, 2016 2:07 pm

Less than an hour to go before the lander reaches the top of Mars' atmosphere.. but the 'live' coverage e.g. @livestream or ESA-ExoMars, doesn't start until 1 hour after that!1 WTF?! Nearly 44 000 'Watching Now' at the livestream page and there's nothing being shown. :doh:

Meanwhile here's a tube of an animated descent profile:
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#18  Postby newolder » Oct 19, 2016 2:55 pm

Coverage has started on their social media channel.
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#19  Postby tuco » Oct 19, 2016 3:23 pm

Just when I was going to post they need to hire some PR people there is mini-interview with astro-biologist ... and now ... we have to leave .. where? Dont leave! Do interview with cleaning people or something? Cmon!
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#20  Postby newolder » Oct 19, 2016 3:39 pm

:lol:
"We have to leave so that we can show images of a few guys in the control room without commentary." :doh: My job application is in the e-post...
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