http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16859421
"In a land of faith and flag, Justin Griffith is challenging the US military to abandon its religious ties."
Can the US Army embrace atheists?
Sgt Justin Griffith, HERO
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Can the US Army embrace atheists?
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by DougC » Feb 04, 2012 2:44 am
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Re: Can the US Army embrace atheists?
#2 by Tortured_Genius » Feb 04, 2012 9:37 am
That's a fascinating article becuase of the picture it paints of the US military. It almost sounds like a nation-state unto itself.
TBH I find that a bit weird, Not sure it's "wrong", and given the US military budget and manpower understandable (it is bigger than many countries), but to these eyes it's very, very odd.
TBH I find that a bit weird, Not sure it's "wrong", and given the US military budget and manpower understandable (it is bigger than many countries), but to these eyes it's very, very odd.
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Re: Can the US Army embrace atheists?
#3 by Alan B » Feb 04, 2012 12:24 pm
Tortured_Genius wrote:That's a fascinating article becuase of the picture it paints of the US military. It almost sounds like a nation-state unto itself.
TBH I find that a bit weird, Not sure it's "wrong", and given the US military budget and manpower understandable (it is bigger than many countries), but to these eyes it's very, very odd.
Yes, weird indeed.
But then, the military will use anyone of any faith or non-faith as cannon-fodder at times of necessity...
Edit: 'use'
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Re: Can the US Army embrace atheists?
#4 by mrjonno » Feb 04, 2012 2:03 pm
Always thought it must be easier getting yourself killed if you think you are immortal but I suspect even in religious people they tend to start doubting that very fast when people starting shooting are you
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Re: Can the US Army embrace atheists?
#5 by Nostalgia » Feb 04, 2012 2:15 pm
THERE ARE NO ATHEISTS IN THE FOXHOLES!!!
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Re: Can the US Army embrace atheists?
#6 by mrjonno » Feb 04, 2012 2:29 pm
Never understood that phrase to mean , to me its a positive statement about atheists
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Re: Can the US Army embrace atheists?
#7 by Nostalgia » Feb 04, 2012 2:38 pm
I think it means that even a "so called" atheist would pray to God if his or her life was in immediate danger.
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Re: Can the US Army embrace atheists?
#8 by mrjonno » Feb 04, 2012 3:07 pm
I prefer the atheist wouldnt be stupid enough to get in a situation where he needed a foxhole in the first place
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Re: Can the US Army embrace atheists?
#9 by aliihsanasl » Feb 04, 2012 4:01 pm
No army can embrace atheists, individuals can be atheist in the army and raise in rank but army need belief and faith to deceive masses for violence.
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Re: Can the US Army embrace atheists?
#10 by Nostalgia » Feb 04, 2012 4:20 pm
I don't really like the theme that's appearing in this thread.
Atheists can be just as idiotic as theists. And I don't believe idiocy is a requirement to serve in the military.
Atheists can be just as idiotic as theists. And I don't believe idiocy is a requirement to serve in the military.
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Re: Can the US Army embrace atheists?
#11 by Clive Durdle » Feb 04, 2012 4:47 pm
Mr Griffith counts about 100 members in Fort Bragg's atheist community, which meets weekly off-base, since it is not yet recognised as a distinctive faith group by the military.
Would someone help me with this please! My brain just seized up!
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Re: Can the US Army embrace atheists?
#12 by Alan B » Feb 04, 2012 5:08 pm
Clive Durdle wrote:Mr Griffith counts about 100 members in Fort Bragg's atheist community, which meets weekly off-base, since it is not yet recognised as a distinctive faith group by the military.
Would someone help me with this please! My brain just seized up!
Ditto! An atheist group is a faith group??
I would think that atheists meet to espouse rational thinking (and any perceived threat to their way of thinking) and are completely amorphous with respect to faith groups (who only meet because their faith tells them to).
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Re: Can the US Army embrace atheists?
#13 by Weaver » Feb 04, 2012 5:10 pm
Clive Durdle wrote:Mr Griffith counts about 100 members in Fort Bragg's atheist community, which meets weekly off-base, since it is not yet recognised as a distinctive faith group by the military.
Would someone help me with this please! My brain just seized up!
The Chaplains get to determine who can use on-post facilities for anything remotely related to religion. The Bragg Chaplaincy has been on their collective asses when it comes to issuing the requisite approval to SGT Griffith's group.
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Re: Can the US Army embrace atheists?
#14 by Weaver » Feb 04, 2012 5:13 pm
ali_ihsan21 wrote:No army can embrace atheists, individuals can be atheist in the army and raise in rank but army need belief and faith to deceive masses for violence.
As a retired career Soldier, I completely disagree with you.
The US Army doesn't "deceive masses for violence". Faith and belief may enter into some individual's reasons for enlisting and for fighting when called, but not most.
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