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Question about the RAF and its oath

#1  Postby Xaeryx » May 18, 2010 2:37 pm

Okay, so I'm going to apply to join the Royal Air Force as an avionics technician (once I know I'm physically fit enough), and I'm slightly concerned about the religious nature of the Oath of Allegiance. Some people might tell me it's not a big deal, but I cannot in good conscience lie through my teeth when swearing an oath.

Is it true that I can opt for a god-free atheistic version, and if so, how easy is it to request it?
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Re: Question about the RAF and its oath

#2  Postby Weaver » May 18, 2010 2:49 pm

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Re: Question about the RAF and its oath

#3  Postby Bathynomus Giganteus » May 19, 2010 4:47 pm

You can always aks at at your local CIO. I wasn't given the choice, but times have changed. That was 20 years ago. I'm guessing they will have to make certain changes to accomodate other religions. Anothing thing, is pledging allegence to the Queen. Are you a monarchist?

And to be honest, if you really wanted to join, that bit shouldn't put you off.
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#4  Postby chairman bill » May 19, 2010 4:55 pm

You need to ask to be affirmed rather than attested. When I joined RM way back in the early 80's I was affirmed. Not a problem & you'll not get any shit over it, assuming Crab Air have become civilised now ;-)
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Re: Question about the RAF and its oath

#5  Postby Bathynomus Giganteus » May 19, 2010 5:12 pm

I guess if the matelots do it, then the RAF will to.
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#6  Postby Count Otto Black » May 20, 2010 8:16 am

Bathynomus Giganteus wrote:Anothing thing, is pledging allegence to the Queen. Are you a monarchist?


That's irrelevant I would have thought. The Queen as Commander in Chief of the armed forces would accept the oath.
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Re: Question about the RAF and its oath

#7  Postby chairman bill » May 20, 2010 8:40 am

Bathynomus Giganteus wrote:I guess if the matelots do it, then the RAF will to.


Matelots? You will smoke a turd in hell for that insult! :smile:
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Re: Question about the RAF and its oath

#8  Postby Bathynomus Giganteus » May 20, 2010 10:19 am

chairman bill wrote:
Bathynomus Giganteus wrote:I guess if the matelots do it, then the RAF will to.


Matelots? You will smoke a turd in hell for that insult! :smile:


Got ya back for the "crab air" :snooty: :mrgreen:


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#9  Postby Weaver » May 20, 2010 10:52 am

Sounds like the RAF has pretty much the same system as the US Military - you can opt to "swear" or "affirm", the only difference in our oath is that you select which word to say in the beginning, and state or omit "so help me god" at the end.

Once, when I re-enlisted, the officer doing it apparently forgot about not coaching me to say the last bit, in spite of arrangements beforehand. So he said "so help me god" and I replied "Yeah, whatever."
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#10  Postby Bathynomus Giganteus » May 20, 2010 11:30 am

Weaver wrote:Sounds like the RAF has pretty much the same system as the US Military - you can opt to "swear" or "affirm", the only difference in our oath is that you select which word to say in the beginning, and state or omit "so help me god" at the end.

Once, when I re-enlisted, the officer doing it apparently forgot about not coaching me to say the last bit, in spite of arrangements beforehand. So he said "so help me god" and I replied "Yeah, whatever."


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Re: Question about the RAF and its oath

#11  Postby Weaver » May 20, 2010 3:36 pm

No, I was a Sergeant, he was a Lieutenant - and he was much too busy learning from me to try to hassle me with Basic Training bullshit. Besides, if he'd just paid attention when I trained him in his task, I wouldn't have had to say anything. ;)
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Re: Question about the RAF and its oath

#12  Postby Bathynomus Giganteus » May 20, 2010 4:11 pm

Weaver wrote:No, I was a Sergeant, he was a Lieutenant - and he was much too busy learning from me to try to hassle me with Basic Training bullshit. Besides, if he'd just paid attention when I trained him in his task, I wouldn't have had to say anything. ;)



Ah, that's where the British and US military differ. A British officer would never learn anything from an NCO. They already learnt everything in their relevent training academy. :nono: :roll:


(That was sarcasm aimed at British officers btw :mrgreen: )
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Re: Question about the RAF and its oath

#13  Postby pensioner » May 20, 2010 4:38 pm

chairman bill wrote:You need to ask to be affirmed rather than attested. When I joined RM way back in the early 80's I was affirmed. Not a problem & you'll not get any shit over it, assuming Crab Air have become civilised now ;-)


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Re: Question about the RAF and its oath

#14  Postby pensioner » May 20, 2010 4:40 pm

chairman bill wrote:You need to ask to be affirmed rather than attested. When I joined RM way back in the early 80's I was affirmed. Not a problem & you'll not get any shit over it, assuming Crab Air have become civilised now ;-)


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Re: Question about the RAF and its oath

#15  Postby Xaeryx » May 20, 2010 9:39 pm

Thanks for the replies. I'm fine with pledging allegiance to the Queen, so I'll probably ask the guys at the careers office on my next visit. Anyway I guess I'll cross this particular bridge when I come to it. :thumbup:
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Re: Question about the RAF and its oath

#16  Postby Brian » May 21, 2010 5:32 am

Weaver wrote:Sounds like the RAF has pretty much the same system as the US Military - you can opt to "swear" or "affirm", the only difference in our oath is that you select which word to say in the beginning, and state or omit "so help me god" at the end.

Yep. When I swore in a couple of weeks ago I was told that I could omit the last line. I was so nervous that I ended up saying it without thinking, though. Woops! :lol:
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