Abiogenesis discredited

Rumraket · **#221** by **Rumraket** » Dec 27, 2011 8:42 am

Delvo wrote:!t'nsi ti oN

Shrunk · **#222** by **Shrunk** » Jan 11, 2012 11:15 am

asyncritus wrote:
The point isn't to pretend the origin of life is a solved question, the point is that there are alternatives to the "organic soup" and "spontaneous generation".

Glad to hear this. Thought I'd missed something important.

'Survive' might be a misnomer here.

What I meant was, suppose a respiratory cycle of some sort is evolving, and suppose that say, alpha-keto-glutaric acid is present.

Suppose too that hydrogen sulphide or sulphuric acid is in solution somewhere, and comes into contact with the KGA. End of KGA, and presumably, evolving cycle.

So I guess that didn't happen. Was that your own hypothesis you dreamt up?

Rumraket · **#223** by **Rumraket** » Jan 11, 2012 11:27 am

Shrunk wrote:
asyncritus wrote:
The point isn't to pretend the origin of life is a solved question, the point is that there are alternatives to the "organic soup" and "spontaneous generation".

Glad to hear this. Thought I'd missed something important.

'Survive' might be a misnomer here.

What I meant was, suppose a respiratory cycle of some sort is evolving, and suppose that say, alpha-keto-glutaric acid is present.

Suppose too that hydrogen sulphide or sulphuric acid is in solution somewhere, and comes into contact with the KGA. End of KGA, and presumably, evolving cycle.

So I guess that didn't happen. Was that your own hypothesis your dreamt up?

Yes, it was. Anybody can play the "let's make up a hypothesis for the origin of life and then imagine what could destroy it"-game. :roll:

rainbow · **#224** by **rainbow** » Jan 11, 2012 1:16 pm

Rumraket wrote: Anybody can play the "let's make up a hypothesis for the origin of life and then imagine what could destroy it"-game.

A better game:
You suggest a hypothesis for the origin of life, and I'll tell you why it can't work.

You start.
:plot:

Paul G · **#225** by **Paul G** » Jan 11, 2012 1:30 pm

rainbow wrote:
Rumraket wrote: Anybody can play the "let's make up a hypothesis for the origin of life and then imagine what could destroy it"-game.

A better game:
You suggest a hypothesis for the origin of life, and I'll tell you why it can't work.

You start.

God did it.

rainbow · **#226** by **rainbow** » Jan 11, 2012 1:37 pm

Paul G wrote:
rainbow wrote:
Rumraket wrote: Anybody can play the "let's make up a hypothesis for the origin of life and then imagine what could destroy it"-game.

A better game:
You suggest a hypothesis for the origin of life, and I'll tell you why it can't work.

You start.

God did it.

OK, you win.

Rumraket · **#227** by **Rumraket** » Jan 11, 2012 1:46 pm

rainbow wrote:
Paul G wrote:
rainbow wrote:
Rumraket wrote: Anybody can play the "let's make up a hypothesis for the origin of life and then imagine what could destroy it"-game.

A better game:
You suggest a hypothesis for the origin of life, and I'll tell you why it can't work.

You start.

God did it.

OK, you win.

Your turn.

rainbow · **#228** by **rainbow** » Jan 11, 2012 2:39 pm

Rumraket wrote:Your turn.

There was this small pond of warm soup left over from an Alien spaceship, which was struck by lightning.

Paul · **#229** by **Paul** » Jan 11, 2012 3:07 pm

rainbow wrote:
Paul G wrote:
rainbow wrote:
Rumraket wrote: Anybody can play the "let's make up a hypothesis for the origin of life and then imagine what could destroy it"-game.

A better game:
You suggest a hypothesis for the origin of life, and I'll tell you why it can't work.

You start.

God did it.

OK, you win.

(my emphasis)

But you haven't explained why "God did it" can't work. :coffee:

Rumraket · **#230** by **Rumraket** » Jan 11, 2012 3:50 pm

rainbow wrote:
Rumraket wrote:Your turn.

There was this small pond of warm soup left over from an Alien spaceship, which was struck by lightning.

Ok, you win.

byofrcs · **#231** by **byofrcs** » Jan 11, 2012 6:42 pm

Man, those aliens need to build better space ships: one lightning bolt and it turns to soup. This solves the Fermi Paradox too: no one is looking for soup.

Rumraket · **#232** by **Rumraket** » Jan 11, 2012 8:38 pm

byofrcs wrote:Man, those aliens need to build better space ships: one lightning bolt and it turns to soup. This solves the Fermi Paradox too: no one is looking for soup.

Haha, or alien spaceships are leaking prebiotic soup. Do aliens eat that or do the spaceships use it as fuel?

Paul · **#233** by **Paul** » Jan 11, 2012 8:44 pm

It all starts to fall into place!

The soup came from the hollow planet which was home to the Clangers and the Soup Dragon.

rainbow · **#234** by **rainbow** » Jan 12, 2012 10:32 am

Now you're just being silly.

Rumraket · **#235** by **Rumraket** » Jan 12, 2012 11:26 am

rainbow wrote:Now you're just being silly.

Hey, you started it! :dance:

Paul · **#236** by **Paul** » Jan 12, 2012 11:35 am

rainbow wrote:Now you're just being silly.

Just passing some time whilst anticipating your explanation for why "God did it" can't work as a hypothesis for the origin of life.

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/biology/abiogenesis-discredited-t26498-220.html#p1151410

or weren't you being serious?

rainbow · **#237** by **rainbow** » Jan 12, 2012 1:08 pm

Paul wrote:
rainbow wrote:Now you're just being silly.

Just passing some time whilst anticipating your explanation for why "God did it" can't work as a hypothesis for the origin of life.

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/biology/abiogenesis-discredited-t26498-220.html#p1151410

or weren't you being serious?

Possibly.

Anyway, I can't explain why it can't work so I said:

OK, you win.

rainbow · **#238** by **rainbow** » Jan 12, 2012 1:11 pm

Rumraket wrote:
rainbow wrote:Now you're just being silly.

Hey, you started it!

I'm sure it was you that said:

Rumraket wrote:Yes, it was. Anybody can play the "let's make up a hypothesis for the origin of life and then imagine what could destroy it"-game.

We could ask the Mods to move this to "social and fun", and thereby avoid sanctions :naughty2:

Rumraket · **#239** by **Rumraket** » Jan 12, 2012 1:24 pm

rainbow wrote:
Rumraket wrote:
rainbow wrote:Now you're just being silly.

Hey, you started it!

I'm sure it was you that said:
Rumraket wrote:Yes, it was. Anybody can play the "let's make up a hypothesis for the origin of life and then imagine what could destroy it"-game.

Yes, and it was essentially in response to asyncritus' moronic attempts to argue against abiogenesis. I wasn't an invitation to play the game, because any idiot can do it and it doesn't mean any thing. The goddidit and alien-spaceship-soup demonstrates this quite succinctly.

Macros1980 · **#240** by **Macros1980** » Feb 22, 2012 12:07 pm

Took them a while, but I just received this:

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