z8000783 wrote:

rainbow wrote:

z8000783 wrote:
<sigh>
1 Do you consider amino acids to be life?

No, do you?

2 Do you consider self replicating molecules to be life?

Don't know. Can you give an example of a "self replicating molecule"?

Prions or ribozymes.

John

Prions are actually non-self replicating. They actually require other proteins to "convert". Although this does show the fuzzy nature of what is life and what isn't. Although it isn't self replication it is very complex self perpetuation in a fairly simple molecule.

z8000783 wrote:

rainbow wrote:

z8000783 wrote:
<sigh>
1 Do you consider amino acids to be life?

No, do you?

2 Do you consider self replicating molecules to be life?

Don't know. Can you give an example of a "self replicating molecule"?

Prions or ribozymes.

John

Not living, but then they rely on living organisms for their replication, so they'd not be self replicating.

Any other examples?

rainbow wrote:

z8000783 wrote:

rainbow wrote:
No, do you?

Don't know. Can you give an example of a "self replicating molecule"?

Prions or ribozymes.

John

Not living, but then they rely on living organisms for their replication, so they'd not be self replicating.

Any other examples?

Humans also rely on other organisms for their replication. I guess only autotrophs are alive by that definition.

rainbow wrote:

z8000783 wrote:

rainbow wrote:
No, do you?

Don't know. Can you give an example of a "self replicating molecule"?

Prions or ribozymes.

John

Not living, but then they rely on living organisms for their replication, so they'd not be self replicating.

No, they require the presence of other chemicals however perhaps it might be more useful if you told us at what point you consider life to be in it's simplest form?

John

klazmon wrote:

rainbow wrote:

z8000783 wrote:
Prions or ribozymes.

John

Not living, but then they rely on living organisms for their replication, so they'd not be self replicating.

Any other examples?

Humans also rely on other organisms for their replication. I guess only autotrophs are alive by that definition.

What definition?

ffs

rainbow wrote:

klazmon wrote:

rainbow wrote:

Not living, but then they rely on living organisms for their replication, so they'd not be self replicating.

Any other examples?

Humans also rely on other organisms for their replication. I guess only autotrophs are alive by that definition.

What definition?

Your one.

klazmon wrote:

rainbow wrote:

klazmon wrote:

Humans also rely on other organisms for their replication. I guess only autotrophs are alive by that definition.

What definition?

Your one.

I didn't give a definition.

rainbow wrote:

klazmon wrote:

rainbow wrote:
What definition?

Your one.

I didn't give a definition.

Then what was the definition you used to determine that Prions or ribozymes are not living?

A lot of online dictionaries seem to conflate abiogenesis with spontaneous generation, or subsume SG within abiogenesis.

klazmon wrote:

rainbow wrote:

klazmon wrote:


Your one.

I didn't give a definition.

Then what was the definition you used to determine that Prions or ribozymes are not living?

I didn't use a definition.
Would you consider prions or ribozymes to be living?

meh

ffs

xwp

z8000783 wrote:xwp

You haven't answered my question.

Gee.. the dictionary, that's where I get my science!

And I been here, what, two hours; and I know Rainbow has an agenda... make that Agenda. So! I'm not getting into a mathematical discussion about how the dictionary is wrong, or how abiogenesis works as a function of geometry; I'm just gonna stick my tongue out like this:

rainbow wrote:

z8000783 wrote:xwp

You haven't answered my question.

... perhaps it might be more useful if you told us at what point you consider life to be in it's simplest form?

Then we might be able to examine how it came to be.

John

z8000783 wrote:

rainbow wrote:

z8000783 wrote:xwp

You haven't answered my question.

... perhaps it might be more useful if you told us at what point you consider life to be in it's simplest form?

Nope.
...but please feel free to offer your own opinion on this matter if you believe it will enhance the discussion.

rainbow wrote:

z8000783 wrote:

rainbow wrote:
You haven't answered my question.

... perhaps it might be more useful if you told us at what point you consider life to be in it's simplest form?

Nope

What is stopping you?

John

z8000783 wrote:

rainbow wrote:

z8000783 wrote:
... perhaps it might be more useful if you told us at what point you consider life to be in it's simplest form?

Nope

What is stopping you?

I can't see any point to it.
In any case, if you've got a point to make - make it.

I'm waiting for you to answer my questions.