Four Fish: The Future of the Last Wild Food

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Four Fish: The Future of the Last Wild Food

#1  Postby Macdoc » Jun 15, 2018 1:34 pm

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Re: Four Fish: The Future of the Last Wild Food

#2  Postby kiore » Jun 15, 2018 5:32 pm

Kurlansky wrote the one about cod, this is by Greenburg a fellow Lower East Sider.
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Re: Four Fish: The Future of the Last Wild Food

#3  Postby Macdoc » Jun 15, 2018 6:02 pm

Yeah you are correct ...
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#4  Postby Keep It Real » Jun 15, 2018 6:47 pm

If the opposite of wild is civilised, then much of humanity is wild, let alone defining farmed food organisms as such. Or is the opposite of wild captive perhaps...:dunno:
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#5  Postby Keep It Real » Jun 15, 2018 7:27 pm

Free as a cow in a verdant meadow etc...moot semantics no?
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#6  Postby Macdoc » Jun 15, 2018 8:45 pm

The opposite of wild is domesticated.
You can hold a zebra captive but it's still wild.

Generally also domesticated can't survive in the wild ....this is a concern with farmed salmon that escape.

Some domesticated animals..horses, goats can revert to wild.

Others cannot ....a dairy cow ain't gonna last a week.
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#7  Postby Alan B » Jun 16, 2018 1:38 pm

Yeah. You could be right. But it would be an 'interesting' experiment to get a local herd of cows and let them loose with a bull. Would instinct kick in, I wonder?
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#8  Postby Macdoc » Jun 16, 2018 2:38 pm

For non-dairy cows...yes they could re--wild but dairy cows must be milked or they die quickly.
Beef cattle re-wilds quickly ....reading about the bull catchers in outback Australia is very interesting as a couple of generations can go by before they are brought to market and they are definitely wild animals at that point.

There are lots that can do well, camels in the wild in Australia are now exported to Arabia as the wild stock is stronger, domesticated water buffalo are thriving ( and bloody dangerous ) in tropical Australia.

Even chickens might survive but wing to weight dictates against it.
Dogs just go feral and eat each other....cats ditto...never really domesticated in the first place.

Many wild animals like foxes and coyotes and raccoons are actually thriving urban or ex-urban environments.
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#9  Postby Alan B » Jun 16, 2018 4:46 pm

...but dairy cows must be milked or they die quickly.

I know little of animal husbandry but I can see why. How did they get to this state? Selective breeding?

I thought perhaps 'once a cow always a cow...' :scratch: (Well, up to a point).
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#10  Postby theropod » Jun 16, 2018 7:26 pm

https://www.nature.com/news/when-chicke ... ld-1.19195

Chickens revert to a wild state in several places. Key West is famous for them.

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#11  Postby Macdoc » Jun 17, 2018 5:16 pm

I know little of animal husbandry but I can see why. How did they get to this state? Selective breeding?


Yes ...insane selective breeding ...they are milk factories extraordinary...

Gigi, a nine-year-old Holstein cow, who spends her days grazing at Bur-Wall Holsteins in Brooklyn, Wisconsin, has broken a U.S. record for milk production, churning out 74,650 pounds of milk in a 365-day period.


They die quickly if not milked twice a day.
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#12  Postby Macdoc » Jun 18, 2018 8:38 am

Four Fish .....very enjoyable ...I now know hellishly more about the challenges facing us with regard to farming and preserving fish stocks and the incredible progress of some segments ....and dismal death spirals of others.
All done in a folksy, personal experience style that crams you full of useful knowledge. Recommended highly.

Seems like I'll have to breakdown and buy COD at full price. :roll:

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#13  Postby felltoearth » Jun 18, 2018 6:03 pm

Try ABEbooks for a used copy of Cod.
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Re: Four Fish: The Future of the Last Wild Food

#14  Postby Macdoc » Jun 23, 2018 11:15 pm

Excellent article on bluefin insanity and the attempts to farm them. They are truly incredible products of evolution

Scientists Are Taming Endangered Atlantic Bluefin Tuna for Our Sushi

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A juvenile Atlantic bluefin tuna. Credit: Spanish Institute of Oceanography
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Scientists at the Spanish Institute of Oceanography have spent 15 years trying to domesticate Atlantic bluefin tuna, one of the ocean’s greatest apex predators.

The atmosphere in the new tuna-rearing facility in the small coastal town of Mazzaron, in southeastern Spain, is dead calm. It has to be. About 100 young Atlantic bluefin tuna, each about the size of a football, are adapting to life in a 22-by-10 meter tank. If spooked, they can burst straight into the wall, shattering their own spines.

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