Is this life on Venus?

Passer · #1 by **Passer** » Jan 23, 2012 10:54 pm

Is this life on Venus?

http://rt.com/news/alien-life-on-venus-485/

Interesting

Macroinvertebrate · #2 by **Macroinvertebrate** » Jan 24, 2012 4:26 am

Not bloody likely. Always consider the source.

Spearthrower · #3 by **Spearthrower** » Jan 24, 2012 4:34 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venera_13# ... ce_of_life

In early 2012 it was stated in the Times of India that Leonid Ksanfomaliti of the Space Research Institute of Russia's Academy of Sciences (a contributor to the Venera mission) had found signs of life in the Venera images. According to the article, Ksanfomaliti had published a paper in the journal Solar System Research that analysed the photographs from the Veners-13 mission, and found objects that in his words resembled a "disk", a "black flap" and a "scorpion" which "emerge, fluctuate and disappear", referring to their changing location on different photographs and traces on the ground.[4] The article is not yet published in that journal.[1]

Is it published or not?

I think Venus is one of the least likely planets to have life, except perhaps somewhere around the tropopause. If it does have life on the surface, then we might as well start expecting life everywhere - the pressure is immense, the heat is enough to dry roast anything biological we know of, and it rains sulfuric acid.

If life exists there then it's effectively a hyper-extremophile to such a degree that we might as well chuck the term extremophile out as it clearly has no meaning with respect to life - it would just be a chauvinism on our part.

Passer · #4 by **Passer** » Jan 24, 2012 7:07 am

Ok thanks for the replies.

JoeB · #5 by **JoeB** » Jan 24, 2012 8:36 am

It looks like a man lying on his back, pissing into the air.. wow. :scratch:

Spearthrower · #6 by **Spearthrower** » Jan 24, 2012 9:00 am

I'd love to see the complete footage though.

jaydot · #7 by **jaydot** » Jan 28, 2012 8:10 pm

i doubt there was any. the probes anyone else sent burned up in the atmosphere. it's likely the russian probe did too.

Calilasseia · #8 by **Calilasseia** » Jan 29, 2012 4:27 am

One phenomenon to bear in mind is this. The atmospheric pressure at the surface of Venus (of the order of 200 Earth atmospheres) is such that even a slow-moving breeze exerts enough force to move substantial masses. Dust movement in such an atmosphere could easily be mistaken for something else.

LucidFlight · #9 by **LucidFlight** » Jan 29, 2012 4:51 am

Credit: NASA

Two photographs taken by the Venera-13 landing probe in 1982. One photo was taken from the front camera, the other by the rear camera. Russian scientist Leonid Ksanfomaliti claims they show the same disc-like object that has moved from one place to another, but they are actually just separate camera lens caps.

http://www.lifeslittlemysteries.com/2090-life-venus-images-analyzed.html

The other photograph highlighted by Ksanfomaliti, which supposedly shows a scorpionlike creature, contains a blur. "The features that Ksanfomaliti shows are nothing more than processed noise, at best, in some particularly bad versions of the images. They are not in the original data," Stryk said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46107931/ns/technology_and_science-science/#.TyTL1eP9OYV

Quantauniverse · **#10** by **Quantauniverse** » Feb 14, 2012 7:08 pm

The makers of the Venera landers agree with Ksanfomality's interpretation, because they do not believe in any defects or malfunctions with their imagery equipment. The scorpion vanished where a rock groove or fissure was identified, which could reach far below the surface, allowing for traveling creatures made of molten silicates inside. Conditions are suitable for silicon based life on Venus, including no water nor oxygen, extreme temp and 60-90 earth pressures, CO2 and nitrogen atmosphere, sulphuric acid cloud droplets, and minerals believed in the bright reflective highlands with iron pyrite or fools gold an important nutrient in particular iron strengthens and makes stable complex silanes and organosilicates form for life. Pancake domes in the highlands appear in clusters that resemble living colonies of cells. Organosilicates would best grow in clusters too, which Wang showed that organic silicon nanotubes grow helical strands like analogous carbon nanotubes wrapping carbon based DNA. Silicon based life processes beneath pancake domes better explains these replicated precise sizes and shapes, then underground magma channels reaching the surface. This story is at
http://holographicgalaxy.blogspot.com/2 ... uring.html

Sityl · **#11** by **Sityl** » Feb 14, 2012 7:21 pm

Quantauniverse wrote:The makers of the Venera landers agree with Ksanfomality's interpretation, because they do not believe in any defects or malfunctions with their imagery equipment. The scorpion vanished where a rock groove or fissure was identified, which could reach far below the surface, allowing for traveling creatures made of molten silicates inside. Conditions are suitable for silicon based life on Venus, including no water nor oxygen, extreme temp and 60-90 earth pressures, CO2 and nitrogen atmosphere, sulphuric acid cloud droplets, and minerals believed in the bright reflective highlands with iron pyrite or fools gold an important nutrient in particular iron strengthens and makes stable complex silanes and organosilicates form for life. Pancake domes in the highlands appear in clusters that resemble living colonies of cells. Organosilicates would best grow in clusters too, which Wang showed that organic silicon nanotubes grow helical strands like analogous carbon nanotubes wrapping carbon based DNA. Silicon based life processes beneath pancake domes better explains these replicated precise sizes and shapes, then underground magma channels reaching the surface. This story is at
http://holographicgalaxy.blogspot.com/2 ... uring.html

Before I go there, has this been peer reviewed?

Quantauniverse · **#12** by **Quantauniverse** » Feb 14, 2012 7:28 pm

No, but I would like to submit it for review, because the links and facts are true, and the hypothesis is reasonable for living processes beneath pancake domes. The idea should be considered.

Sityl · **#13** by **Sityl** » Feb 14, 2012 7:36 pm

It's certainly an exciting idea.

Spearthrower · **#14** by **Spearthrower** » Feb 15, 2012 5:15 am

Quantauniverse wrote:No, but I would like to submit it for review, because the links and facts are true, and the hypothesis is reasonable for living processes beneath pancake domes. The idea should be considered.

It's an exciting idea, but I don't see that you can say 'the facts are true' - aside from it being tautological, that's surely the very question.

I also think that the hypothesis that this is life is less reasonable than operational errors; it's a time for extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary proof. Given the technical capacity we have for cleaning up pictures today, I should think it would be a matter of a day or 2 to establish incontrovertibly that these are not artifacts of the equipment. If I had the source photos, I could do it myself.