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Massacre in the hive: Amazing Footage

#1  Postby the_5th_ape » Jan 14, 2012 6:26 am

Amazing footage of 30 giant Japanese hornets slaughtering 30,000 tiny honeybees to eat their young

Tens of thousands are dead, hundreds more of the dying lie writhing on the battlefield, powerless to protect their children.

These horrifying and yet fascinating scenes are the highlights of a three-hour battle between just 30 giant Japanese hornets and 30,000 European honeybees.

The video, from a National Geographic documentary called Hornets From Hell, shows a full-scale attack on the honeybees' comb in order that the hornets can get at their larvae.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... video.html

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#2  Postby Made of Stars » Jan 15, 2012 12:04 pm

Wow. :shock:
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#3  Postby cavarka9 » Jan 15, 2012 12:25 pm

as human beings I guess whether these hornets can fill the places of bees or not
well, I have always felt that we are not limited by our compassion or by our passion or resources but by our economy.
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#4  Postby Garm » Jan 15, 2012 12:37 pm

Amazing.
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#5  Postby jaydot » Jan 17, 2012 11:39 pm

indigenous bees have methods to deal with these wasps, evolved over eons no doubt. european bees had never had to deal with wasps like these and panic when they appear. there is a video somewhere of a single scout wasp being engulfed by a number of indigenous bees, which suffocate and overheat it to death. were it possible to cross the european bees with the japanese variety, the hybrid may stand a better chance. either that, or the european import will need to evolve a protection similar to their cousins.
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#6  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Jan 18, 2012 12:16 am

Headline - The Daily Bee: "A date which will live in infamy!"
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#7  Postby PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn » Jan 18, 2012 12:53 am

the Japanese bees response by comparison
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#8  Postby Made of Stars » Jan 18, 2012 1:06 pm

Interesting. I wonder if how you could train European bees to react this way?
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#9  Postby DavidMcC » Jan 24, 2012 4:44 pm

Made of Stars, by "training", you presumably mean "breeding", since they might need a gene or two to be "tweaked" for them to be able to withstand a slightly higher temperature than the hornet, and to "know" how to use that fact. Having said that, I don't know what temperature a European honey bee can withstand.
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#10  Postby Made of Stars » Jan 27, 2012 10:51 pm

Not sure about the temperature thing - I'd assumed the hornet was overcome by being on the inside of the bee 'blanket'. And the bees have a higher surface area to volume ratio so could dissipate heat more effectively.

On training, speculating, European bees might have a similar response to another predator. If these sorts of responses are driven by pheromone or other signalling, perhaps hives could be trained by introducing hornets alongside the appropriate signal. It works for higher species (eg. For naïve bird species, introducing cats alongside recorded alert song from the same species). Don't know if this can work for insects though. They might surprise us. :)
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#11  Postby DavidMcC » Jan 28, 2012 3:09 pm

http://www.worsleyschool.net/science/files/japanese/hornet.html

By vibrating their muscles, the bees raise the temperature inside this ball to close to 47°C, a temperature which the bees can survive, but the hornet can't. The high temperature inside the bee ball kills the hornet.


On training, it might be possible for bees to "learn" by distributed intelligence, but I suspect that the Japanese honey bees' anti-hornet strategy is largely instinctive, as they co-evolved with the giant hornet.
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#12  Postby DavidMcC » Jan 28, 2012 3:21 pm

I doubt that they'll learn in time in any case:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/oct/17/asian-hornet-bee-killer-invasion?newsfeed=true

The biggest danger is to the UK's honey bees, already suffering the effects of poor weather, pests and pesticides. "If the same sort of situation that we have seen in certain parts of France is reproduced here, they can do considerable damage," Brown warns.
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#13  Postby MacIver » Jan 28, 2012 5:01 pm

Why can't the wasps and bees just get along...? :whine:
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