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#1  Postby aban57 » Feb 07, 2017 10:53 am

My best friend and I had a heated discussion yesterday. She tested a micro-physiotherapist a year ago. This disciplin, created in Franc by 2 physiotherapists in France in the 80's, claims to be able to force your body to heal itself of the physical traumas caused by psychological strong events.
Basically, the guy manipulates you, like any PT, and "senses" places in your body where a trauma didn't heal properly. The manupulation, repeating the initial trauma in a smaller way, "restarts" the healing process.
The guy she saw was able to associate physical traumas to actual events he could guess and point out in time by giving the year it happened, including thinks almost no one knew.

To me, this looks a lot like bullshit. Some points bother me however.

First, these people usually work on a single session. Con artists work by making you want to come back, paying more and more sessions. Of course, one could ague that word of mouth brings more people, but for this kind of pseudo-medecine, I'm not sure it's that effective.
Second, somatic symptom disorder is real. Physical manifestation of a psychological problem. Could it be dected by simply touching a person? I highly doubt that.
Third, in the case where the answer to the previous question is yes, is it possible to deduce the precise year of the trauma ? Not a chance.

So how did he know ? Is it a mix of cold and hot reading ? Possible, but unlikely, as some of the information he provided would have been impossible to get.
Reminds me of this :
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Re: Micro-physiotherapy

#2  Postby aban57 » Feb 07, 2017 10:55 am

To be complete, I should add that this "disciplin" apparently only exists in France, only has a French wikipedia page, which tells us that it's not even listed in Medline.
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#3  Postby laklak » Feb 08, 2017 4:22 pm

Smells like woo-shit to me.
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Re: Micro-physiotherapy

#4  Postby aban57 » Feb 08, 2017 6:51 pm

it does, doesn't it ?
I'm still trying to figure out how he got these information though.
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Re: Micro-physiotherapy

#5  Postby liz0034 » Mar 26, 2018 1:03 pm

Hi,

I feel I ought to share my personal experience, which may bring a bit of objectivity to this thread.

My qualified and experienced physiotherapist, also a qualified osteopath, has been treating me for various traumas/sports injuries, for about 4 years.
He has recently passed his exam in micro physiotherapy and I was one of his first patients he got to practice his training on.

It might sound like BS to you guys, but without explaining to me which elements my praticien has worked on, I have systematically felt relieved from long-term pains after each micro physio session.
He simply explained that it relates to the muscles/skin/neuro system and by putting pressure on certain key points it removes blockers that have generated the pain in first instance.
And yes, the man is a professional, not a charlatan and definitely has proven his integrity on numerous occasions!

As for your comment about wiki, the practice is about 30yrs old, so it is not surprising it has not spread over the world yet!
It might not be on wiki or medline, but a study has been published on Pubmed (service of the United States National Library of Medicine), so it is not solely a French/France thing...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?te ... siotherapy

May I suggest you keep an opened eye and vision! ;)
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#6  Postby aban57 » Mar 26, 2018 7:33 pm

Welcome liz. May I suggest you introduce yourself here ?
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Re: Micro-physiotherapy

#7  Postby zulumoose » Mar 27, 2018 6:41 am

liz0034 wrote:
I feel I ought to share my personal experience, which may bring a bit of objectivity to this thread.

I have systematically felt relieved from long-term pains after each micro physio session.
a study has been published on Pubmed (service of the United States National Library of Medicine), so it is not solely a French/France thing...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?te ... siotherapy

May I suggest you keep an opened eye and vision! ;)


Hi Liz, From the selected points above:-

1) Personal experience is almost the opposite of objectivity, objectivity is achieved by ignoring personal involvement.
2) FEELING relieved is completely subjective, and can only be counted as evidence of anything other than placebo if it is made objective by something like double-blind testing with a control. This is difficult to achieve with a treatment that cannot really be substituted for a placebo without anyone knowing, as you could with a medication.

This does absolutely sound like pseudoscience, and is very reminiscent of Dianetics, the supposed basis of Scientology, just more geared towards the physical rather then the psychological. It is of course possible that they might have discovered a more effective way of encouraging healing than traditional physiotherapy methods, but there would need to be extensive testing and trials for a statistically significant result, since each patient will be an individual case, rendering small studies meaningless.
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Re: Micro-physiotherapy

#8  Postby Celina » Apr 09, 2019 4:46 pm

Can anyone guide me to a practitioner of micro-physiotherapy?
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Re: Micro-physiotherapy

#9  Postby felltoearth » Apr 09, 2019 10:05 pm

No
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Re: Micro-physiotherapy

#10  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Apr 09, 2019 10:09 pm

liz0034 wrote:Hi,

I feel I ought to share my personal experience, which may bring a bit of objectivity to this thread.

The second half of the sentence is contradicted by the first.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#11  Postby laklak » Apr 10, 2019 2:42 am

Subjectivity is the new objectivity, man, didn't you get the memo?
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Re: Micro-physiotherapy

#12  Postby aban57 » Apr 10, 2019 2:41 pm

Celina wrote:Can anyone guide me to a practitioner of micro-physiotherapy?


If you're looking for a charlatan in the US, go to Gwyneth Paltrow's website, you'll find plenty of them there.
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Re: Micro-physiotherapy

#13  Postby Alan B » Apr 11, 2019 12:46 pm

Hmmm!

This sounds like Acupuncture but without the needles.

Oh, and welcome, liz.
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#14  Postby Hermit » Apr 11, 2019 1:19 pm

Alan B wrote:Hmmm!

This sounds like Acupuncture but without the needles.

Oh, and welcome, liz.

Liz has not logged on for 13 months. ;)
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#15  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Apr 11, 2019 2:54 pm

My PT does intramuscular stimulation via needles. Everything else he does is conventional. I have no idea whether the needling accomplishes anything but everything else he does with me does and it's not hurting me so whatever.
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Re: Micro-physiotherapy

#16  Postby Cristian Shiraishi » May 23, 2019 8:59 pm

Hello, I am Cristian Shiraishi, Brazilian physiotherapist and since 2004 I am part of the group of professionals who work with Microphysiotherapy in Brazil.

Since then we have reached the number of 3000 professionals in Brazil, graduated in this technique.

There are 7500 people in the whole world.

Some countries with professionals working with Microphysiotherapy:
France
Brazil
Belgium
Portugal
Germany
Poland
Russia
Morocco

Thank you for opening the space for discussions.

Sorry for my English (Google Translate)

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Re: Micro-physiotherapy

#17  Postby aban57 » May 24, 2019 7:48 am

Hi Christian, and welcome to the forum.
Since you're here, maybe you can provide us with some information on how this is supposed to work, or some study proving its claims ?
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#19  Postby Cristian Shiraishi » May 24, 2019 11:49 am

In Brazil we are developing research in conjunction with university so that we can demonstrate through research the results observed in clinical practice.
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Re: Micro-physiotherapy

#20  Postby TopCat » May 24, 2019 1:09 pm

Cristian Shiraishi wrote:https://microkine.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Publications-internationales.pdf

https://microkinesitherapie.fr/wp-conte ... 7aises.pdf

Perhaps you'd like to elaborate on the impact factor of those publications.
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