The Meaning of Common Ancestry and What Is Missing

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Re: The Meaning of Common Ancestry and What Is Missing

#101  Postby Just A Theory » Oct 21, 2018 11:45 pm

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Idiot, you haven't addressed my statement in your response.


So you say, but you won't get away with it. My advice is to stick with "knucklehead".

scherado wrote:The referent "traits" in my statement quoted in this post means what? It means anything and everything that is inherited by a newborn baby


Some stuff is inherited, some stuff is recombined, some stuff is mutated, ...

I have been clear in referring to what's passed to the newborn through the well-understood process of human propagation, but only that which is a result of two set of genes interacting. You can flap and flail your arms as much as you want about other processes, but I won't join you.

You may make your next attempt.


Let me lay this out as simply as I know how:

  • There exists a set of molecules which can catalyse their own replication either directly or indirectly via enzyme intermediates. Such molecules are the [deoxy]ribonucleic acids and possibly more ancient precursors as have been described in the literature by Gerald Joyce (amongst others)
  • Such molecules replicate imperfectly (as Theropod has already pointed out
  • The imperfect replications lead to daughter molecules which are better (sometimes), the same as (quite often) or worse at performing the same replication as their parent molecule
  • Over time due to the accumulation of such mutations, molecules change in their ability to replicate
  • If such changes coincide with an increased ability to replicate in their current environment then the change prospers and the molecule generates many copies. The opposite case also obtains

That's it. That's the inheritance mechanism. QED.

If you want to understand how self-replicating molecules came about then we have to discuss abiogenesis and the question is, at best, partially answered at this time.
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Re: The Meaning of Common Ancestry and What Is Missing

#102  Postby Blip » Oct 25, 2018 7:21 am


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Re: The Meaning of Common Ancestry and What Is Missing

#103  Postby Rumraket » Oct 25, 2018 7:28 am

Meanwhile the question of common ancestry has been conclusively settled by the scientific community, and this poster seems to have agreed to that. Now he's just bent on making this about the origin of genetics as a last refuge for his we-don't-know-therefore-magic beliefs.
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Re: The Meaning of Common Ancestry and What Is Missing

#104  Postby scherado » Oct 25, 2018 10:52 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:...
Chemical structure is a trait, genius. Chemical structure has its own inheritance mechanism, and that is its structure. Genius.
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scherado wrote:...
Idiot, you haven't addressed my statement in your response. ...

Do you--moderation--really think I was calling C d P an idiot? He called me a "genius" twice, which means he called me a dumb-shit. TWICE

I was mocking his use of "genius". Do you follow?
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Re: The Meaning of Common Ancestry and What Is Missing

#105  Postby Fallible » Oct 26, 2018 6:56 am

Take it to the Feedback thread, Erin Brokovich.
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Re: The Meaning of Common Ancestry and What Is Missing

#106  Postby sdelsolray » Oct 27, 2018 6:49 pm

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There is the question, unanswered I assert, as to the origin of life on Earth ("Abiogenisis"?). This I know to be outside the scope of Biological Evolution.

If you know it's irrelevant to the question being asked, why do you bring it up in the first place? :roll:

You, sir, have stepped in it, and I mean the feces.

I, simply--I thought--was demonstrating that I have knowledge of the separation of the two: 1) the question of first-life; 2) Biological Evolution, the theory. There is much to be gleaned from this separation. No? Yes.

You have been added to my list, which I won't name or describe, other than to tell you that the first word of this list appears in this post.


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Re: The Meaning of Common Ancestry and What Is Missing

#107  Postby scherado » Oct 27, 2018 6:54 pm

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There is the question, unanswered I assert, as to the origin of life on Earth ("Abiogenisis"?). This I know to be outside the scope of Biological Evolution.

If you know it's irrelevant to the question being asked, why do you bring it up in the first place? :roll:

You, sir, have stepped in it, and I mean the feces.

I, simply--I thought--was demonstrating that I have knowledge of the separation of the two: 1) the question of first-life; 2) Biological Evolution, the theory. There is much to be gleaned from this separation. No? Yes.

You have been added to my list, which I won't name or describe, other than to tell you that the first word of this list appears in this post.


Tough guy.

Thank you?

FYI, "Thomas Eshuis"'s name on the list--as well as any others--hasn't changed anything as the list has not been used on the non-existent Blocklistor.
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Re: The Meaning of Common Ancestry and What Is Missing

#108  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Oct 27, 2018 7:08 pm

scherado wrote:
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Thomas Eshuis wrote:
If you know it's irrelevant to the question being asked, why do you bring it up in the first place? :roll:

You, sir, have stepped in it, and I mean the feces.

I, simply--I thought--was demonstrating that I have knowledge of the separation of the two: 1) the question of first-life; 2) Biological Evolution, the theory. There is much to be gleaned from this separation. No? Yes.

You have been added to my list, which I won't name or describe, other than to tell you that the first word of this list appears in this post.


Tough guy.

Thank you?

FYI, "Thomas Eshuis"'s name on the list--as well as any others--hasn't changed anything as the list has not been used on the non-existent Blocklistor.

FYI nobody gives a fuck and such a list only serves to demonstrate bigotry on your part.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: The Meaning of Common Ancestry and What Is Missing

#109  Postby Regina » Oct 27, 2018 7:13 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
scherado wrote:
sdelsolray wrote:
scherado wrote:
You, sir, have stepped in it, and I mean the feces.

I, simply--I thought--was demonstrating that I have knowledge of the separation of the two: 1) the question of first-life; 2) Biological Evolution, the theory. There is much to be gleaned from this separation. No? Yes.

You have been added to my list, which I won't name or describe, other than to tell you that the first word of this list appears in this post.


Tough guy.

Thank you?

FYI, "Thomas Eshuis"'s name on the list--as well as any others--hasn't changed anything as the list has not been used on the non-existent Blocklistor.

FYI nobody gives a fuck and such a list only serves to demonstrate bigotry on your part.

No, Thomas. If somebody as scientifically challenged as s. puts you on his feces list, he is paying you a compliment, albeit an unintended one.
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Re: The Meaning of Common Ancestry and What Is Missing

#110  Postby scherado » Oct 27, 2018 7:25 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
scherado wrote:
sdelsolray wrote:
scherado wrote:
You, sir, have stepped in it, and I mean the feces.

I, simply--I thought--was demonstrating that I have knowledge of the separation of the two: 1) the question of first-life; 2) Biological Evolution, the theory. There is much to be gleaned from this separation. No? Yes.

You have been added to my list, which I won't name or describe, other than to tell you that the first word of this list appears in this post.


Tough guy.

Thank you?

FYI, "Thomas Eshuis"'s name on the list--as well as any others--hasn't changed anything as the list has not been used on the non-existent Blocklistor.

FYI nobody gives a fuck and such a list only serves to demonstrate bigotry on your part.

Panties all in a bunch. Most definitely in a bunch.

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Re: The Meaning of Common Ancestry and What Is Missing

#111  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Oct 27, 2018 7:35 pm

Regina wrote:
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scherado wrote:
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Tough guy.

Thank you?

FYI, "Thomas Eshuis"'s name on the list--as well as any others--hasn't changed anything as the list has not been used on the non-existent Blocklistor.

FYI nobody gives a fuck and such a list only serves to demonstrate bigotry on your part.

No, Thomas. If somebody as scientifically challenged as s. puts you on his feces list, he is paying you a compliment, albeit an unintended one.

That too, yes.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: The Meaning of Common Ancestry and What Is Missing

#112  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Oct 27, 2018 7:36 pm

scherado wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
scherado wrote:
sdelsolray wrote:

Tough guy.

Thank you?

FYI, "Thomas Eshuis"'s name on the list--as well as any others--hasn't changed anything as the list has not been used on the non-existent Blocklistor.

FYI nobody gives a fuck and such a list only serves to demonstrate bigotry on your part.

Panties all in a bunch. Most definitely in a bunch.

Did know that there is no Santa Clause????

More vapid personalisations. I though I already informed you that those do nothing to elevate your trolling?
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: The Meaning of Common Ancestry and What Is Missing

#113  Postby Fallible » Oct 28, 2018 7:37 pm

scherado wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
scherado wrote:
sdelsolray wrote:

Tough guy.

Thank you?

FYI, "Thomas Eshuis"'s name on the list--as well as any others--hasn't changed anything as the list has not been used on the non-existent Blocklistor.

FYI nobody gives a fuck and such a list only serves to demonstrate bigotry on your part.

Panties all in a bunch. Most definitely in a bunch.

Did [you] know that there is no Santa Clause????


For the love of marmite, learn to spell. I bet you're the type of person who says 'mischievious', aren't you.
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Re: The Meaning of Common Ancestry and What Is Missing

#114  Postby Thommo » Oct 28, 2018 8:50 pm

Fallible wrote:I bet you're the type of person who says 'mischievious', aren't you.


I am. And "warm as a toaster". :shifty:
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Re: The Meaning of Common Ancestry and What Is Missing

#115  Postby Hermit » Oct 28, 2018 9:56 pm

Fallible wrote:
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Did [you] know that there is no Santa Clause????

For the love of marmite, learn to spell. I bet you're the type of person who says 'mischievious', aren't you.

The spelling is correct, but Schezza is wrong. There is a Santa Clause. It's the bit in the contract everybody who wants to become a priest has to sign, with which he legally (canonically, to be more precise) commits himself to ravishing at least one altar boy by the end of each liturgical year. At the end of each he has to submit a report to the Vatican, stating "Santa Clause has come (insert number here) times." The Church loves its euphemisms.
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Re: The Meaning of Common Ancestry and What Is Missing

#116  Postby hackenslash » Oct 29, 2018 4:48 pm

scherado wrote:Tell me, how did the inheritance mechanism originate?


I can help a little with that, even though I know that engaging with an obvious troll, probably manufactured by Pretty Polly or some such hosier, is like trying to put out the sun with a fire extinguisher.

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Re: The Meaning of Common Ancestry and What Is Missing

#117  Postby laklak » Oct 29, 2018 5:01 pm

Some people's ancestry is more common than others. Like people from Arkansas, they all got ancestors in common.
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Re: The Meaning of Common Ancestry and What Is Missing

#118  Postby hackenslash » Oct 29, 2018 5:11 pm

Oi! My fiancée was born in Arkansas.

To be fair, she's unsure of whether her father is also her uncle.
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Re: The Meaning of Common Ancestry and What Is Missing

#119  Postby laklak » Oct 29, 2018 6:01 pm

Paw Paw allus tol us don't never trust no Yankee, but I meeted some in the Army and they was nice fellers, but you know what? They ain't got but ONE maw and ONE paw. Hellfire, they's all of 'em practically orphans. Ain't got no Uncle Daddys nor Sister Mommas nor Cousin Aunts nor nothin. Ain't no wonder they's all a mite squirrelly. Don't know grits from pone neither. I feels sorry for 'em, weren't none raised right. They can have a family reunion in just ONE doublewide. Caint happen her, I'm kin to near ever body up'n this holler an' the next two overways.
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Re: The Meaning of Common Ancestry and What Is Missing

#120  Postby Fallible » Oct 29, 2018 6:19 pm

And may I say, that tooth in the middle of your forehead is glistening beautifully in the moonlight.
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