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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#261  Postby Varangian » Feb 13, 2013 11:55 am

Evolving wrote:I don't know any men who have read 50 Shades (though, there again, I'm not sure they'd tell me), but several women of my acquaintance find it terribly exciting that they are reading such a risqué book.

Middle-class titillation?
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#262  Postby Evolving » Feb 13, 2013 12:25 pm

Not sure where the class aspect comes in. My post was in relation to Calilasseia's remark that the book seemed to be aimed at sexually unsuccessful teenage boys: an interesting conjecture, but one not borne out by my admittedly limited observation.

To me it seems like the "adult" version of Mills & Boon, which means you are only likely to enjoy it if you already enjoy Mills & Boon, the sanitised equivalent of pornography for women too timid to go for the real thing. If you think Mills & Boon novels are childishly written, cliché-ridden and with cardboard cut-out characters, then that is what you will think of 50 Shades.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#263  Postby Calilasseia » Feb 13, 2013 12:28 pm

Oh, and of course, Mills & Boon have been making a fortune out of peddling pot-boiler "romances" featuring man-pleasing women and "Mr Testosterone" men for decades.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#264  Postby mattthomas » Feb 13, 2013 12:35 pm

Calilasseia wrote:Oh, and of course, Mills & Boon have been making a fortune out of peddling pot-boiler "romances" featuring man-pleasing women and "Mr Testosterone" men for decades.

This is something completely different though Cali....

50 shades isn't so much about the sex as the relationship and I can tell you that any woman who fantasises about anything further than the sex in this book has issues.

It is a psychologically damaging and emotionally abusive relationship where the woman takes her emotional punishments and keeps coming back for more. In a true dominant/submissive dynamic the submissive isn't generally a weak willed dot of a girl, but a strong independent woman who gives up control to their master because they (the sub) gets something out of it. In this book, the only thing the girl gets out of it is further emotionally abuse.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#265  Postby Evolving » Feb 13, 2013 12:49 pm

If you are fantasising about being the submissive, then you are fantasising about sex, even though an overt sexual act may not be involved. That's why I say that Mills & Boon is the sanitised version of pornography: its attraction is sexually based (partly, anyway), even if the reader and fantasiser is unaware of that.

I'm sure you are right to observe that in real life consenting submissives are not like the woman in this book. Pornography is not supposed to be realistic! And I am certain that the women I know who are titillated by 50 Shades, or by the thought of reading it, would run a mile from a real-life relationship that was like the one depicted there.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#266  Postby Calilasseia » Feb 15, 2013 8:18 am

So in other words, those women have much the same view about the likely male participants in a relationship of this sort as I've expressed above ... quelle surprise ...
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#267  Postby Mike_L » Sep 03, 2013 10:28 am

Meet the new Christian Grey and his Anastasia

After months of speculation and hand-wringing from fans, the search for the Fifty Shades Of Grey leads is over, Mail Online reported.

Dakota Johnson and Charlie Hunnam will take on the roles of Anastasia Steele and Christian Grey, respectively, in the anticipated big-screen adaptation of the sexy novel.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#268  Postby mattthomas » Sep 03, 2013 10:39 am

Oh yay, something to look forward to. :nono:


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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#269  Postby Sovereign » Sep 03, 2013 3:01 pm

I wonder if it will be #1 on its opening weekend?
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#270  Postby Macdoc » Sep 03, 2013 3:17 pm

Not so sure of the male lead but the girl looks spot on if a tad too world wise.

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In late to this thread. Young males won't buy what's free on the internet in far more extreme versions
http://www.asstr.org
I suggest the book is of interest to mature women looking for "spice" and perhaps "liberating" for those that remained unaware of the wider variety of sexual "genres".
WIth gay and lesbian coming out in broader society I think she tapped the next "verboten" / "intriguing" ... erotic boundary.

This is well worth the listen

50 Shades of Grey
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 | Categories: Books , Q Blog 1

E.L. James, the author everybody's reading, joined Jian for a feature chat today about her unlikely rise to fame and the unlikely appearance of BDSM-inspired erotic novels at the top of the bestseller lists.


http://www.cbc.ca/q/blog/2012/05/09/50- ... ames-on-q/


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Evolving wrote:
I don't know any men who have read 50 Shades (though, there again, I'm not sure they'd tell me), but several women of my acquaintance find it terribly exciting that they are reading such a risqué book.


Well you do now and it's only risqué in pretty sheltered circles.
If what you claim is true on the lack of male readers one wonders what the fuck the commenters here are on about.
EIther read or STFU as any "opinion" is stupidly ill conceived.
Akin to males trying to tell women what to do with their bodies.....

I had one lover whose consistent trigger was a mild relive of a molestation when she was a very nubile 14 who just radiated sexuality.( no great harm was involve - a scare from a young neighbor with mental challenges.
Evoking that - which she was entirely aware of was a certain firework light off. :coffee:
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#271  Postby mattthomas » Sep 03, 2013 10:16 pm

Macdoc wrote:Not so sure of the male lead but the girl looks spot on if a tad too world wise.

•••

In late to this thread. Young males won't buy what's free on the internet in far more extreme versions
http://www.asstr.org
I suggest the book is of interest to mature women looking for "spice" and perhaps "liberating" for those that remained unaware of the wider variety of sexual "genres".
WIth gay and lesbian coming out in broader society I think she tapped the next "verboten" / "intriguing" ... erotic boundary.

This is well worth the listen

50 Shades of Grey
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 | Categories: Books , Q Blog 1

E.L. James, the author everybody's reading, joined Jian for a feature chat today about her unlikely rise to fame and the unlikely appearance of BDSM-inspired erotic novels at the top of the bestseller lists.


http://www.cbc.ca/q/blog/2012/05/09/50- ... ames-on-q/


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Evolving wrote:
I don't know any men who have read 50 Shades (though, there again, I'm not sure they'd tell me), but several women of my acquaintance find it terribly exciting that they are reading such a risqué book.


Well you do now and it's only risqué in pretty sheltered circles.
If what you claim is true on the lack of male readers one wonders what the fuck the commenters here are on about.
EIther read or STFU as any "opinion" is stupidly ill conceived.
Akin to males trying to tell women what to do with their bodies.....

I had one lover whose consistent trigger was a mild relive of a molestation when she was a very nubile 14 who just radiated sexuality.( no great harm was involve - a scare from a young neighbor with mental challenges.
Evoking that - which she was entirely aware of was a certain firework light off. :coffee:

I had a lover who revelled in simulated rape, it takes all sorts to make a world. But as someone who actually identifies as a kinkster and someone who has read the books I find the series to be disgusting in the way they represent the dynamic. I have been quite open about my disdain for the book and how it portrays a mentally abusive relationship as standard BDSM activities.

That's just my two cents of course.


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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#272  Postby Macdoc » Sep 04, 2013 1:43 am

She sets up iconic situations tho - it's not in anyway supposed to be a normal anything....it's all cliches or icons depending on your choice of phrase.

She's normal with an undiscovered passive streak....he's way damaged and abusive.
Even the names are all pot boiler material made for TV series....that's her background and I think she's as surprised as anyone at what she tapped.

I don't think it's meant in anyway to portray a balanced BDSM relationship....it's nutso unbalanced and totally fairy tale. I find the sexuality and descriptions from a women's viewpoint interesting always and that may be the appeal to women readers.
That's how they WANT it to be even if it rarely reaches that level.
The abused child makes good but is damaged rescued by the innocence maiden....always gonna play well when erotic tension and some explicit aspects are tossed in.
I think it got a needed dialogue going.....it's not mostly missionary there Toto. :coffee:
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#273  Postby Mike_L » Jul 24, 2014 8:53 pm

Trailer for the movie adaptation (which is due for release on Valentine's Day 2015)...

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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#274  Postby Animavore » Jul 24, 2014 9:11 pm

Fuck sake. If a girl brought me to see that I'd be as uncomfortable as Betsy on her date with Travis Bickle.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#275  Postby Strontium Dog » Jul 24, 2014 10:03 pm

Not sure if I'm allowed to make a generalisation even if it's true, but literally every woman on my team was watching this trailer in work today. All bar one of them have read the book. There then followed a short discussion about butt plugs.

I find it all very odd. It's like a disease which only affects half the population.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#276  Postby Sovereign » Jul 24, 2014 10:10 pm

Animavore wrote:Fuck sake. If a girl brought me to see that I'd be as uncomfortable as Betsy on her date with Travis Bickle.


Really? I'd be kind of excited since I figure she'd be up to replicate some scenes from the movie. :naughty2:
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#277  Postby Fallible » Jul 24, 2014 10:14 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:Not sure if I'm allowed to make a generalisation even if it's true, but literally every woman on my team was watching this trailer in work today. All bar one of them have read the book. There then followed a short discussion about butt plugs.

I find it all very odd. It's like a disease which only affects half the population.


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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#278  Postby epepke » Jul 24, 2014 10:17 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:Not sure if I'm allowed to make a generalisation even if it's true, but literally every woman on my team was watching this trailer in work today. All bar one of them have read the book. There then followed a short discussion about butt plugs.


Shameful.

Much better to skip the bad writing and get straight to the butt plugs.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#279  Postby Onyx8 » Jul 24, 2014 10:23 pm

I was at a party the other day and the topic came up and all of the women (6/7 of them >50 yrs) said that they had tried to read it due to the hype but had been unable to get into it due to the lousy writing.
The problem with fantasies is you can't really insist that everyone else believes in yours, the other problem with fantasies is that most believers of fantasies eventually get around to doing exactly that.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#280  Postby epepke » Jul 24, 2014 10:27 pm

Onyx8 wrote:I was at a party the other day and the topic came up and all of the women (6/7 of them >50 yrs) said that they had tried to read it due to the hype but had been unable to get into it due to the lousy writing.


Hence the "cougar" phenomenon.
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