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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#281  Postby laklak » Jul 24, 2014 10:31 pm

Onyx8 wrote:I was at a party the other day and the topic came up and all of the women (6/7 of them >50 yrs) said that they had tried to read it due to the hype but had been unable to get into it due to the lousy writing.


That is because 50+ women are sensible, for the most part. As are 50+ men. I read one page of the book someone had posted here. It was dreck. It wasn't drecky enough to be worth it just for the dreck sake of it, it didn't rise to that level. It was boring, mediocre dreck.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#282  Postby Onyx8 » Jul 24, 2014 10:35 pm

epepke wrote:
Onyx8 wrote:I was at a party the other day and the topic came up and all of the women (6/7 of them >50 yrs) said that they had tried to read it due to the hype but had been unable to get into it due to the lousy writing.


Hence the "cougar" phenomenon.



?? :scratch:
The problem with fantasies is you can't really insist that everyone else believes in yours, the other problem with fantasies is that most believers of fantasies eventually get around to doing exactly that.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#283  Postby epepke » Jul 24, 2014 10:37 pm

Onyx8 wrote:
epepke wrote:Hence the "cougar" phenomenon.


?? :scratch:


US term for the phenomenon of having sex with women old enough to know which end to use.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#284  Postby Onyx8 » Jul 24, 2014 10:42 pm

Yeah, I understand the term, it refers to 'older' women preferring younger men but I don't get the reference, it's not like I am the younger man.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#285  Postby epepke » Jul 24, 2014 10:46 pm

Onyx8 wrote:Yeah, I understand the term, it refers to 'older' women preferring younger men but I don't get the reference, it's not like I am the younger man.


You don't have to be old to be a dirty old man, either.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#286  Postby Onyx8 » Jul 24, 2014 10:52 pm

I thought maybe you were making a point I didn't get, never mind.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#287  Postby epepke » Jul 24, 2014 11:59 pm

Onyx8 wrote:I thought maybe you were making a point I didn't get, never mind.


Probably, but there isn't anything to be done about it. Try the answer by laklak.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#288  Postby thaesofereode » Jul 25, 2014 3:46 am

laklak wrote:
Onyx8 wrote:I was at a party the other day and the topic came up and all of the women (6/7 of them >50 yrs) said that they had tried to read it due to the hype but had been unable to get into it due to the lousy writing.


That is because 50+ women are sensible, for the most part. As are 50+ men. I read one page of the book someone had posted here. It was dreck. It wasn't drecky enough to be worth it just for the dreck sake of it, it didn't rise to that level. It was boring, mediocre dreck.


Yet another bandwagon fad that doesn't interest me, either. Had also heard it was badly-written dreck. Suspected as much. Not gonna waste my time.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#289  Postby Calilasseia » Jul 25, 2014 6:58 am

I have to ask myself at this juncture, has any work genuinely classifiable as 'pornography' ever possessed artistic merit? Because I can't think of an example off the top of my head.

At bottom, we're dealing here with low grade wank fodder. The only reason it's being hyped as something special, is because it happened to turn up at the right time to corner the market in wank fodder for women. The idea that this book suddenly made it 'respectable' for women to indulge in a spot of fantasising, is a sad joke - the only reason that fantasising of this sort was ever considered not to be 'respectable', was because enforcers of conformity to death-cult religious doctrines in funny hats spent two millennia subjecting our species to psychological carpet bombing, telling us that any pleasure we got from our genitalia was purportedly "sinful", unless it was done in a manner approved by the same sad bastards in funny hats. Not that anyone's going to listen to their claptrap any more, now that so many of them have been caught rampantly stuffing their dicks into assorted unwilling or under-age orifices in a genuinely criminal manner, and covering up for each other via rampant abuse of power.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#290  Postby epepke » Jul 25, 2014 7:32 am

Calilasseia wrote:I have to ask myself at this juncture, has any work genuinely classifiable as 'pornography' ever possessed artistic merit? Because I can't think of an example off the top of my head.


Café Flesh is pretty good, especially with the Mitchell Froom soundtrack. Not a high budget, mind you, but the character of Max out-Joel-Greys Joel Grey by quite a few Joel Grey units.

Flesh Gordon has some pretty awesome claymation near the end.

50 Shades of Grey is scarcely even pornography, being tepid enough to be sold at Walmart, after all. The Story of O is more legitimately pornographic, much better written, and more about BDSM.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#291  Postby NamelessFaceless » Jul 25, 2014 2:32 pm

Onyx8 wrote:I was at a party the other day and the topic came up and all of the women (6/7 of them >50 yrs) said that they had tried to read it due to the hype but had been unable to get into it due to the lousy writing.


Yeah, that's pretty much where I stand too.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#292  Postby Sendraks » Jul 25, 2014 2:38 pm

Calilasseia wrote:I have to ask myself at this juncture, has any work genuinely classifiable as 'pornography' ever possessed artistic merit? Because I can't think of an example off the top of my head.


Shibari is pretty bloody artistic.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#293  Postby Evolving » Jul 25, 2014 2:39 pm

Calilasseia wrote:I have to ask myself at this juncture, has any work genuinely classifiable as 'pornography' ever possessed artistic merit? Because I can't think of an example off the top of my head.


I think the fundamental difference is that a work of literature will take up the strands that the subject matter contains and explore where they lead, doing so in such a way as to create an artistically satisfying whole, while pornography from start to finish relentlessly continues to occupy the same place: sexual arousal.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#294  Postby Sendraks » Jul 25, 2014 2:50 pm

Evolving wrote:
I think the fundamental difference is that a work of literature will take up the strands that the subject matter contains and explore where they lead, doing so in such a way as to create an artistically satisfying whole, while pornography from start to finish relentlessly continues to occupy the same place: sexual arousal.


Which doesn't mean that it cannot be artistic.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#295  Postby Evolving » Jul 25, 2014 2:59 pm

I agree, and there are lots of examples of literature adhering to strict artificial restrictions: the three unities in classical drama, for instance.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#296  Postby Animavore » Jul 25, 2014 3:09 pm

As soon as I typed in '5' in the Google search bar '50 shades of grey official trailer 2014' popped up.

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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#297  Postby orpheus » Jul 25, 2014 3:57 pm

I really, really hope it's narrated by Gilbert Gottfried:

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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#298  Postby Seabass » Jul 25, 2014 11:02 pm

orpheus wrote:I really, really hope it's narrated by Gilbert Gottfried:



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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#299  Postby laklak » Jul 25, 2014 11:09 pm

:rofl:

I love Gottfried.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#300  Postby epepke » Jul 25, 2014 11:19 pm

Thanks for the memoir of Gottfried. I had seen that a couple of years ago but forgotten.

There have been rumors that Danny Elfman would be the perfect composer, as he got his start on Pee-Wee's Big Adventure. I can't bear to watch the trailer to see if this has happened.
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