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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#241  Postby archibald » Sep 02, 2012 9:00 am

lobawad wrote:The book was written to sell Romney to women voters.



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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#242  Postby Onyx8 » Sep 02, 2012 9:05 am

archibald wrote:
Onyx8 wrote:It's not hard to find out what people who call themselves feminists think about it. Not surprisingly there is no consensus.


It strikes me that it might be similar to an imaginary scenario where a woman gets to be president of the USA but has to wear short skirts and high heels. A sort of curate's egg in terms of progress.



You're over my head there, sorry. :oops:
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#243  Postby Onyx8 » Sep 02, 2012 9:06 am

lobawad wrote:The book was written to sell Romney to women voters.



:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#244  Postby archibald » Sep 02, 2012 10:15 am

Onyx8 wrote:
archibald wrote:
Onyx8 wrote:It's not hard to find out what people who call themselves feminists think about it. Not surprisingly there is no consensus.


It strikes me that it might be similar to an imaginary scenario where a woman gets to be president of the USA but has to wear short skirts and high heels. A sort of curate's egg in terms of progress.



You're over my head there, sorry. :oops:



What I meant was.....I think.....that the book, in one way, seems to represent a sort of contradiction. 'Liberating/progressive' on the one hand (not suggesting the open/explicit/kinky sex is all 'new', just that it seems to represent a new level, in terms of a combination of things) but retrograde in another. At least those are my personal impressions. A woman president might be considered progressive, but high heels and short skirts might not. I don't mean that either is analagous to this book, just that it's similarly a sort of contradiction.

Of course, it's perfectly valid just to read the book without dragging in gender issues, reading it just as a (IMO badly written) fantasy page-turner. Though it does fascinate me (and I'm wondering if it dismays many Feminists) if the female role represents some sort of widely held womens' fantasy. :)

I think gender issues are rife with contradictions, in practice. I know some feminists who want women to be 'equal' but still prefer the man to be the 'white knight', or to make the first move vis-a-vis chatting up/asking for a date. Similarly, a lot of men like the idea of equality, but then allow their partners to do a 'double shift'. On both parts, it's a sort of 'wanting to have one's cake and eat it' thing, in some ways, it seems to me. In some ways, that is. I'm not globalizing my personal impressions. In any one individual relationship, I think it's fine for people to have their cake and eat it any way they like. It's only when it reaches the level of gender roles that it becomes something I'm not sure about.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#245  Postby Mike_L » Sep 02, 2012 4:52 pm

Attack Of The Clones! :roll:

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While it's been described as being similar to that of 50 Shades, reviewers are claiming that this book is far superior in terms of writing and characterisation.

And, thanks to the publishers, we've got an exclusive extract...
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#246  Postby Crazy Cat Lady » Sep 26, 2012 1:36 am

Ok, I found a free copy and read it.

Now, I have read some escapist literature in my time. I read everything under the sun and the subject matter really does not bother me, but this one of the most sorry-assed poorly written piece of work I have ever encountered in my 30 years of reading. I don't know, maybe I have not read enough romances. Is this how bad the writing generally is? I tend to lean toward horror, fantasy and historical fiction. The publisher should be ashamed but is probably laughing all the way to the bank.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#247  Postby Mike_L » Oct 15, 2012 7:12 am

E-books push erotic sales
2012-10-14

Flush with the success of Fifty Shades of Grey, erotic literature is increasingly finding ardent fans among women seduced by the discretion afforded by ebooks, publishers say.

The Perfect Submissive, Body Temperature And Rising and Dark Desires, the titles published by British specialist publisher Xcite leave little room for doubt over their content.

The books were unashamedly on display in the bustling corridors of the Frankfurt Book Fair, the world's biggest publishing event due to close on Sunday, and are enjoying a boost thanks to the advent of the electronic book.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#248  Postby BlackBart » Oct 15, 2012 7:24 am

My local Tesco is now selling the 'Story of O' with the tagline of 'Before 50 Shades there was...' :nono:

It'll be interesting to see where this particular slippery slope end up; "120 Days of Sodom" maybe? Tesco value Gimp masks? :popcorn:
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#249  Postby Mike_L » Oct 15, 2012 7:34 am

Debbie Does Dallas... digitally processed into 3D! :grin:
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#250  Postby Posse Comitatus » Oct 15, 2012 3:41 pm

BlackBart wrote:My local Tesco is now selling the 'Story of O' with the tagline of 'Before 50 Shades there was...' :nono:


Haha, I briefly misread this as referring to the Story of the Eye and was, momentarily, very very impressed with Tesco. Alas tis not to be (this time).

Still, that's definitely how I'd market Story of the Eye to a whole new potential audience.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#251  Postby Jacquitoo » Feb 13, 2013 8:44 am

Paula wrote:

This book does women no favours at all. :nono:


Go Paula ... this thread was mostly by males wanting to dangle ... a line for a "chew toy"
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#252  Postby BlackBart » Feb 13, 2013 9:05 am

:eh:
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#253  Postby Fallible » Feb 13, 2013 9:36 am

Jacquitoo wrote:
Paula wrote:

This book does women no favours at all. :nono:


Go Paula ... this thread was mostly by males wanting to dangle ... a line for a "chew toy"


As far as I know, threads are started by individuals.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#254  Postby mraltair » Feb 13, 2013 10:46 am

Fallible wrote:
Jacquitoo wrote:
Paula wrote:

This book does women no favours at all. :nono:


Go Paula ... this thread was mostly by males wanting to dangle ... a line for a "chew toy"


As far as I know, threads are started by individuals.


No, we clubbed together on this one. We saw an opportunity to dangle elipses and we took it collectively.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#255  Postby Fallible » Feb 13, 2013 10:47 am

Damn you...
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#256  Postby BlackBart » Feb 13, 2013 10:57 am

I'll have you know, Sir, I've never dangled an ellipsis in my life...

Argh! I just did it...

I did it again! Aieeee....
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#257  Postby mattthomas » Feb 13, 2013 11:01 am

While it's been described as being similar to that of 50 Shades, reviewers are claiming that this book is far superior in terms of writing and characterisation.

The very hungry caterpillar is far superior in terms of writing and characterisation than 50 shades of grey.
If anyone is interested in what the actual BDSM community thinks of 50 shades, pop along to https://www.informedconsent.co.uk/ and fill your boots. NSFW by the way :)
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#258  Postby Calilasseia » Feb 13, 2013 11:37 am

BlackBart wrote:My local Tesco is now selling the 'Story of O' with the tagline of 'Before 50 Shades there was...' :nono:

It'll be interesting to see where this particular slippery slope end up; "120 Days of Sodom" maybe? Tesco value Gimp masks? :popcorn:


In the case of the latter, at least it would be a legitimate use for bits of horse ...

Fallible wrote:To be honest I think that the days when it was shameful for women to be interested in sex, even kinky sex, are long gone here. I don't think anyone but religious stuffed shirts would raise much of an eyebrow to see women reading or buying this stuff. I mean I remember when I was a teenager (20+ years ago) reading a 'women's' best seller which had a long and detailed scene describing what the heroine did to a tied up bloke with a gobful of menthol mouthwash and a candle, this isn't much different surely?


Question is, was it better written than 50 Shades Of Shite? Or was it a Jackie Collins potboiler?

Oddly enough, the latest crop of "erotic novels" all seem to feature vulnerable women being tied up and used as sex toys by spoilt rich wankers. Where's tbe books featuring women on top, with assorted male playthings? Or are Joyce McKinney male kidnapping fantasies too hot to handle? Only it's a pretty tiresome cliché being peddled at the moment, submissive women being taught to worship the Almighty Cock God, isn't it? I don't know about women reading this, but this latest genre seems to me as if it's aimed more at providing wank fodder for basement dwelling hormonal teenage boys, who are too uncouth to acquire a girlfriend, let alone get laid. Plus, in the hands of some of the aforementioned basement dweelers, these books look as if they're fuelling some fairly unpleasant resentments, elevating a fairly creepy brand of misogyny into a pretence at an art form, whilst peddling a disturbing picture of half the human race as being nothing more than a collection of holes to be filled.

What a sad message to be passing on to the readers of this drivel - "if you have tits and a pussy, you're an object to be fucked at leisure, and if you don't keep your mouth shut at other times, you get the crop across your bare arse". It's the sort of image that seems calculated to appeal to the budding Ted Bundys of this world, borderline socipaths waiting for the blue touch paper to be lit to launch them into a florid career of sex crime and serial homicide. In reality, the men most likely to act out this sort of stuff aren't going to be billionaire Adonises who make every female within a ten mile radius ovulate on the spot, they're going to be creepy inbreeds straight out of Deliverance, with fulminating body odour to match their cerebral cesspits.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#259  Postby Evolving » Feb 13, 2013 11:48 am

mattthomas wrote:The very hungry caterpillar is far superior in terms of writing and characterisation than 50 shades of grey.


True is this.
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Re: 50 Shades of Grey.

#260  Postby Evolving » Feb 13, 2013 11:51 am

I don't know any men who have read 50 Shades (though, there again, I'm not sure they'd tell me), but several women of my acquaintance find it terribly exciting that they are reading such a risqué book.
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