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Re: George R R Martin

#141  Postby Mazille » Jul 17, 2011 8:42 am

Yes, Hermes. Wouldn't be surprised to find out that the courier just didn't feel like climbing stairs and said to himself "Fuck that, I'll just 'not find' the address."
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#142  Postby Lizard_King » Jul 17, 2011 8:50 am

Then kill him! Kill him with fire! Fire and blood.

I'll just be silent now...
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#143  Postby Mazille » Jul 17, 2011 8:57 am

I shall await him at the drawbridge for a trial by combat to determine his innocence. May the Gods old and new bless my sword.
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#144  Postby Nostalgia » Aug 11, 2011 2:40 am

Okay folks, I need a wee bit of advice.

I want to get into the Seven Kingdoms. I've seen the TV series. What I want to know is how much material is in the book that isn't in the show? I'm kinda tempted just to buy the second book... sacrilege I know. I'm just really poor at the moment and don't know if I can justify spending money on a book I know how will end.
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#145  Postby Nostalgia » Aug 11, 2011 2:41 am

Christ, the grammar was terrible on that last post. Sorry. me tired.
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Re: George R R Martin

#146  Postby laklak » Aug 11, 2011 3:30 am

I thought the first book was well worth the read, despite repeating a lot of stuff in the series. There's much more to the battles and to Tyrion in particular, and the series took some liberties with characterization and plot. Mrs. Lak read about half of it and skipped to the second book, so if finances are a problem then you can skip it, but I think it's worth it for the level of detail missing from the series.
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Re: George R R Martin

#147  Postby Nostalgia » Aug 11, 2011 6:10 am

I'll probably read the first book. It's my birthday next month so I'll ask for three or four of the series from my relatives. That'll keep me busy for a while.

I just finished reading the short story The Hedge Knight set 90 or so years before The Game of Thrones. I really enjoyed it.
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Re: George R R Martin

#148  Postby Mazille » Aug 22, 2011 12:54 pm

I just finished A Dance With Dragons. He pulled another Martin... :nono:

[Reveal] Spoiler: DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN'T FINISHED THE BOOK YET
Jon Snow stabbed, seriously? I am going to find you and make you eat your own face, Martin! :lay: And what's with the bloody cliffhanger? I don't need to leave the world of ASOIAF with Dany being sick, alone and surrounded by a presumably hostile fucking khalasar. I am already bloody reading your fucking series! No need to draw me in with a cliffhanger, you prick!
And what the shit was with the Martell boy? Introducing a potentially game-changing character only to melt his face off a couple of chapters later? Are you fucking kidding me?


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#149  Postby Lizard_King » Aug 22, 2011 2:04 pm

Finally someone read the damn book. Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to know all this stuff and not be able to talk about it?

[Reveal] Spoiler: Massive Spoilers, finish the Dance first.
I'm pretty sure John is not really dead. He is simply too important for the plot to simply be killed off before the final battle. And having read the prologue with all that skin-changing stuff, my guess is he will reside within Ghost (or possibly one of the frozen corpses in the wall) before being brought back to life, maybe by the red woman. That way he will acutally be Azor Ahai reborn (though he might have to kill someone important in order to forge Lightbringer, perhaps he'll have to use Longclaw to kill Ghost or something equally atrocious).

I personally didn't really care for the young prince who played with the fire; I was far more astonished by the two kills in the epilogue. Someone is really cleaning up in Westeros...


Anyone want to place a bet how long it takes 'till the Winds are finally done? I'm guessing some time around 2015, but then again, I'm an optimist...
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#150  Postby Mazille » Aug 22, 2011 2:52 pm

Lizard_King wrote:Finally someone read the damn book. Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to know all this stuff and not be able to talk about it?

[Reveal] Spoiler: Massive Spoilers, finish the Dance first.
I'm pretty sure John is not really dead. He is simply too important for the plot to simply be killed off before the final battle. And having read the prologue with all that skin-changing stuff, my guess is he will reside within Ghost (or possibly one of the frozen corpses in the wall) before being brought back to life, maybe by the red woman. That way he will acutally be Azor Ahai reborn (though he might have to kill someone important in order to forge Lightbringer, perhaps he'll have to use Longclaw to kill Ghost or something equally atrocious).

I personally didn't really care for the young prince who played with the fire; I was far more astonished by the two kills in the epilogue. Someone is really cleaning up in Westeros...


Anyone want to place a bet how long it takes 'till the Winds are finally done? I'm guessing some time around 2015, but then again, I'm an optimist...


[Reveal] Spoiler:
Well, yes, he definitely isn't dead and I too would wager that he resides in Ghost for now. I don't think it was coincidence that Martin introduced John sharing sensations with Ghost just now. Then again: Bloody stab him? Come on... Oh, and I will track down and kill Martin should he decide that another wolf needs to die. Lady's fate was bad enough. I'm guessing that Val will have to bite the bullet (or the blade, if you will), should Snow turn out to be Azor Ahai, of which I'm fairly certain. Then again, who knows? Might be that the "Young Griff" will play that part. Martin sure introduced a lot of game-changing characters this time around.
Yeah, the Spider coming back did leave me with my mouth open. I was just so caught up with the other kills that I forgot ranting about that one. Begs the question, though: Just who is Varys working for? I suppose it's really just his weird idea of "the realm" that lead him to shatter the Lannister's upcoming hopes for a victory. Quite ballsy for a eunuch too, I must say. (Pun intended.)
And what on earth are Jamie and Brienne of fucking Tarth up to? Which girl did she find? It sure as fuck wasn't Arya and I doubt that she happened to visit the Eire.

Many mysteries are to be solved, and I am very much looking forward to it. That is, if GRRM lives to see the job finished. :shifty: Oops, there goes another Stark.
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Re: George R R Martin

#151  Postby j.mills » Aug 26, 2011 12:45 pm

I have emerged at last from volume 5. Spoilered for those who haven't:

I found this one good throughout but only rarely great (the Sorrows, Danzak's Pit, Quentyn's final tomfoolery). Jon's stuff was mostly administrative, Arya's story didn't advance far, and there's lots of threads that are on the verge of getting somewhere, but haven't. In particular, it's unsporting (and a bit of a waste) to build up the battle for Meereen for most of the book, and then postpone it to the next volume, even hinting (through Daenerys) that it will be irrelevant! We're left with a sheaf of questions, about Stannis, Hizdahr, Tyrion, Jon, Victarion, Bran, even Daenerys; but precious little resolved, as if the book stopped just before its climax. Which is a tad unfortunate when there's like 6 years between volumes! I hope this doesn't descend into a Robert-Jordan-like sprawl.

(I can't even remember where we left Davos!)
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#152  Postby Mazille » Aug 26, 2011 1:20 pm

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Re: George R R Martin

#153  Postby Lizard_King » Aug 26, 2011 3:05 pm

I'm actually pretty confident that Martin will finish the series in his lifetime (he's not that old after all), and the fact that he said he already has some good ideas for an ending is also very reassuring. There is an interview here in which he said that, but apparently it's not available in Germany. Anyways, he seems fairly confident, and being somewhat a writer myself, I can understand how difficult it is to make accurate predictions about how and when a book will end.
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Re: George R R Martin

#154  Postby j.mills » Aug 26, 2011 6:10 pm

Mazille wrote:Sisters.

I must say, I find that a very cryptic utterance.
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#155  Postby Mazille » Aug 26, 2011 6:27 pm

j.mills wrote:
Mazille wrote:Sisters.

I must say, I find that a very cryptic utterance.

And deliberately so.


Davos, after being imprisoned on one of the Three Sisters was sent out to fetch Rickon, whose location Lord Manderly supposedly found out.
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Re: George R R Martin

#156  Postby j.mills » Aug 26, 2011 6:31 pm

Oh, IIIIIIII remember! :smile: I thang yew. :thumbup:
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#157  Postby MoonLit » Aug 26, 2011 7:16 pm

Im so excited! I just bought the first four books (as ebooks) and will begin reading them once I'm done with my other book.

I'll look into watching the series only after I've read the books.
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#158  Postby j.mills » Aug 26, 2011 7:32 pm

I kind of envy you the forthcoming fun, MoonLit! :smile: Most of us have had to wait yeeeeaaaaaarrrss between instalments!
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#159  Postby Mazille » Aug 26, 2011 7:37 pm

j.mills wrote:I kind of envy you the forthcoming fun, MoonLit! :smile: Most of us have had to wait yeeeeaaaaaarrrss between instalments!

And have another few years ahead of us. :whine:
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#160  Postby j.mills » Aug 26, 2011 8:10 pm

Heh, well, I for one am not short of reading material!
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