The 2nd picture book by yours truly - Swish Fish Wish

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The 2nd picture book by yours truly - Swish Fish Wish

#1  Postby Keep It Real » Sep 15, 2019 12:54 pm

Finished this a month ago, sent it off to 10 publishers who accept unsolicited submissions (ie - direct from the creator, not through an agent) - no interest, but I'm not too sad about that as there's no accounting for taste. Anyway I see all kinds of little, and big, problems with it now so am posting it here and won't be trying to get an agent for it. Might self publish it on amazon at some point but really meh. Anyway it's doubtless a goof little book in a way or two so jobs a goodun regardless IMO and to hell with capitalism's definition of success etc.

Enjoy :cheers:

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#2  Postby Keep It Real » Sep 15, 2019 12:55 pm

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#3  Postby Keep It Real » Sep 15, 2019 12:55 pm

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#4  Postby felltoearth » Sep 15, 2019 1:03 pm

I like the fish illustrations. Your sentences are too long for a kids book.
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#5  Postby Keep It Real » Sep 15, 2019 1:13 pm

Good, and you could well be right there fellto...too wordy....story of my life hahaha
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#6  Postby Keep It Real » Sep 15, 2019 2:17 pm

I suppose my biggest worry with the book is that it might in some way come across as being sanctimonious, like that Gilette advert...
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#7  Postby felltoearth » Sep 15, 2019 2:35 pm

I didn’t see it that way.
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#8  Postby Keep It Real » Sep 15, 2019 2:37 pm

Very bloody good to know fellto, thank you.
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#9  Postby SafeAsMilk » Sep 16, 2019 1:24 am

I enjoy your illustration style, the fish ones in particular are really cool. The weird perspective in the kitchen shot still bothers me though :lol:The writing definitely needs a lot of editing. For a kid's book especially, you really need to whittle it down and streamline your narrative. My kid loves reading and he'd never make it through this. Still, good stuff, thanks for sharing!
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#10  Postby Keep It Real » Sep 16, 2019 10:03 am

Cheers. I suppose I'd imagined the kid would have the book read to them. TBH I hadn't given it much thought, in that respect, as is clear to see. My mum's reaction to it was "it's very violent!" lolz
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#11  Postby SafeAsMilk » Sep 16, 2019 11:47 am

If they're the age where it's being read to them, then I'd say you need to chop it down even more, and up your illustration to word ratio. I think if you try reading it out loud to someone, you'll see what I mean.

I'm sure the publishers you sent it to weren't pleased about the fish gutting part :lol:
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#12  Postby Keep It Real » Sep 17, 2019 1:05 pm

Crikey - just got this email this morning...looks like I might have spoken too soon (to a degree - looks like I'd have to stump up some cash but if they're really gonna try and link the work with illustrations by a proper artist then probs not a rip-off self publishing scam)... :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Thank you for your patience during this process, I understand it can be tedious awaiting responses from publishers regarding your writing. However, we have now completed our evaluations of your illustrated children’s fiction ‘Swish Fish Wish’.



Over the past few weeks my colleagues and I have been discussing various aspects of your work and have agreed that your book is suitable for children with an enjoyable narrative. We believe that it deserves a chance to reach the general readership and this can be achieved with the marketing capabilities we can provide. However, the illustrations you have provided did not meet our standards for publication so we would look to replace these using one of our freelance illustrators, if you do choose to move ahead.



As I’m sure you know – as it is explained on our website – we receive hundreds of submissions each month, many of which are rejected, when we accept a work we can offer either a traditional publishing contract or a contribution-based publishing contract. At this time, I can proudly state that we would love to publish your work under the xxxxxx banner and wish to make a contribution-based offer for ‘Swish Fish Wish’.



Please consider this offer carefully. This will be a one-off, finite figure. Any future costs, to cover marketing over the lifetime of the book, will be covered by xxxxxxx.



We understand this decision cannot be taken lightly and you’ll need to see the contract before you can make a decision. The contract, along with contribution and royalties, will be finalised once we have a request to view it.



At this stage we are seeking only an agreement in principle to view the contract. Please note, there is no obligation with the contract and both parties are still free to withdraw at any point, until contracts have been signed.



Please note the finite figure can be paid in monthly instalments over 10 months.



Please let me know whether or not you wish to view the proposed publishing contract for your work. If you have any other questions regarding publishing then please do not hesitate to contact us.



Yours sincerely,
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#13  Postby Keep It Real » Sep 17, 2019 1:24 pm

hmmmmmmmm...probably a scam.....asking me for money.....stay skeptical KIR
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#14  Postby Keep It Real » Sep 17, 2019 1:41 pm

Olympia Publishers UK, part of Ashwell Publishing, began sometime around late 2007. The publisher lists its address at 60 Cannon Street, smack in the heart of the City of London. That’s a pretty nice piece of office real estate to lease and operate out of, but when you’re a publisher with 250 listed titles (on Amazon UK), a catalogue filled mainly with new or unknown authors, something doesn’t quite ring true. I’m a pretty frequent traveller now, and I’ve learned from experience when I’ve decided to ‘call around’ to the offices of publishers or companies offering self-publishing services, I’ve discovered vacant rooms above laundrettes, fast food shops, residential homes, derelict or abandoned buildings with no more sign of a thriving publishing house than rusting galvanised shutters and a overstuffed ‘mailbox’ and a builder with a steaming-hot Pot Noodle clutched to his bosom. I’ve had experiences like this with several UK self-publishing services – are you taking note Mr Miller from BookForce/UnDiscovered/discovered Authors/Callio Press? Olympia Publishers actually operate out of a less attractive piece of real estate in a business industrial estate in Cambridge.....It should be noted that fees cited from the above links by authors, after they submitted to Olympia, ranged on average from £2500 – £3500. Publishing should be a democracy – open to everyone – but you simply cannot operate an imprint that claims to publish one author for free, and another for £3500, and give both the same marketing and promotion.
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Yup - rip artists. Level of excitement RE receiving the exact terms of their proposed contract with me - gnat scale. The drawing board beckons...
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#15  Postby SafeAsMilk » Sep 17, 2019 1:47 pm

Yeah, definitely stay away from pay to publish stuff. If you're paying for everything, what obligation do they have to even push your work?
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#16  Postby Keep It Real » Sep 17, 2019 1:54 pm

3.5 grand SAM, and of course, no mention of an advance.

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#17  Postby Keep It Real » Sep 17, 2019 2:00 pm

Oh well, coulda been worse eg:

Judie Barrington - March 30, 2018 said:
I know I shouldn’t laugh….but…..the email I received – only 2 days ago – is almost word perfect to those sent to others, Having jumped for joy, and treated my friends to a glass of bubbly each, and imagining the life of J.K.Rowling…….I asked for their contract to be sent, which they did yesterday……..say no more !
If I was absolutely stupid I would be sending them a total of £2,200 over the next 10 months, and expecting 50% royalties, plus 20 copies of my ‘paperback’ ( my ‘work’ being a children’s novel would not look good in paperback !) Thank the Lord, and all you lovely honest people on this site……for your reviews, that have made me wake up, smell coffee and burst my own balloon (s)……To think that I WAS going to travel to 60 Cannon Street, with signed contract in hand, with part payment cheque ( to show good faith ) and meet Mr James H——-ton in person ! who most likely runs the taxi cab company downstairs !!!! Lets’s not give up guys, J.K. Rowling was turned down 12 times ! Good luck everybody.
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#18  Postby Keep It Real » Sep 17, 2019 2:37 pm

SafeAsMilk wrote: If you're paying for everything, what obligation do they have to even push your work?


It appears you are indeed correct cat about this:

I was a ignorant and naïve and I stupidly paid them the 2,500 English pounds ($5,000 Australian for me). They certainly produced the book – and sent me ten free copies. My book is available through amazon but it is available nowhere else. I have written many times to them asking for details as to their distribution network, promotion and marketing details which they promised on my original contract. It would appear that they have done nothing to get my book into any bookshop...I am beginning to realise that this is an evil industry – preying on the unwary and naïve authors.


my emphasis - how sad for her :nono: :nono: :nono: I bet there are some good(ish) publishing houses out there :nod:
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#19  Postby felltoearth » Sep 17, 2019 5:19 pm

I’m curious why these people are hesitant to name names.
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#20  Postby Keep It Real » Sep 17, 2019 5:42 pm

You mean my xxxxxxxxxing fellto? I thought it might be a genuine offer at the time of posting that so had my anonymity/security blinkers up...
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