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Re: The Book Thread 2021

#81  Postby UncertainSloth » Mar 07, 2021 10:02 pm

1. james brogden - the narrows - 8/10
2. nora roberts - of blood and bone - 8/10
3. nora roberts - the rise of magicks - 8/10
4. karen thompsn walker - the dreamers - 7/10
5. sophie draper - cuckoo - 7/10
6. laura carlin - the wicked cometh - 7/10
7. vikram palakar - the night theatre - 7/10
8. m r carey - the trials of koli - 9/10
9. bridget collins - the binding - 9/10
10. jac jemc - the grip of it - 7/10
11. carolyn jess-cooke - the boy who could see demons - 9/10
12. daisy johnson - everything under - 7/10 - one of those 'it was good, but....' books....creative & adventurous but starts out very confusing in its' structure and timelining - one of those where you reach the end and feel you'd need to re-read to 'get it' fully...a debut, though, so may bode well for the future

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Re: The Book Thread 2021

#82  Postby Keep It Real » Mar 07, 2021 10:05 pm

Beautiful cover pic US...a tertiary consideration for most no doubt, but still...
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Re: The Book Thread 2021

#83  Postby UncertainSloth » Mar 07, 2021 10:52 pm

i'm a sucker for a pretty cover....that's how shallow i am.. :grin:
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Re: The Book Thread 2021

#84  Postby crazyfitter » Mar 08, 2021 5:12 pm

1. A Game of Thrones - George RR Martin
2. A Clash of Kings - George RR Martin. I’m enjoying this series more than LotR
3. A Storm of Swords - George RR Martin
4. Master and Commander - Patrick O’Brian
5. A Feast for Crows - George RR Martin.
6. Extraterrestrial - Avi Loab
7. A Dance with Dragons - George RR Martin
8. we are bellingcat - Elliot Higgins
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#85  Postby Beatrice » Mar 11, 2021 7:16 am

1. The Obelisk Gate - N.K. Jemisin (10/10)
2. Bullshit Jobs - David Graeber
3. The Mothers - Brit Bennett
4. Caste - Isabel Wilkerson (10/10)
5. Into the Darkest Corner - Elizabeth Haynes
6. Emma - Jane Austen
Phew... for a minute there, I lost myself, I lost myself.....
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Re: The Book Thread 2021

#86  Postby don't get me started » Mar 13, 2021 2:11 am

1. Pragmatic Meaning and Cognition – Sophia S.A. Marmaridou
2. Fire and Fury: The Allied Bombing of Germany and Japan - Randall Hansen
3. Cognitive Exploration of Language and Linguistics – René Dirven and Marjolijn Verspoor (Eds.)
4. Age of Static: How TV Explains Modern Britain – Phil Harrison
5. The Secret of Our Success: How Culture is Driving Human Evolution, Domesticating our Species and Making us Smarter – Joseph Henrich
6. Heroic Failure and the British - Stephanie Barczewski
7. Proust and the Squid: The Story and Science of the Reading Brain - Maryanne Wolf
8. Language Soup: A Taste of How Diverse People Around the World Communicate - Kathryn A. T. Knox
9. A Place for everything: The curious History of Alphabetical order – Judith Flanders

10. Contrastive Analysis - Carl James

208 pp.

This is a rather old text- originally published in 1980 and one of the results was that the reference list included a good deal of really old sources. When I read these academic books, I always comb through the reference list and then try to track down interesting books and papers using Google scholar or other on-line resources, or look on Amazon jp. In this case many of the papers I tried to track down just were not available anymore outside hard copies in bound collections in university libraries around the world. Oh, well...

Anyways, the book was an interesting overview of the ways in which languages can be contrasted. There was a bit of a bias towards the major languages of Europe with plenty of examples from German, French and Spanish. The author often assumed a working knowledge of these languages and did not always provide translations of his examples.

There was a lot that was of interest to me in these pages.

On p. 32 there is an example of a sentence in English (She has finished reading this book). This is paired with its Russian equivalent. (она дочитала эту книгу) The author notes how the English sentence gets the meaning across with six words but the Russian sentence gets the job done with just four words. The situation is reversed however when we count the number of morphemes (the meaning bearing parts of words).
In English there are 8 morphemes - She/has/finish/ed/read/ing/this/book, but the Russian sentence needs 10 morphemes to get the meaning across. on/a/do/cita/l/a/et/u/knig/u. It is clear that English deploys extra words to give extra meaning whereas Russian deploys all kinds of suffixes and the like to do the job. (I remember my early attempts to learn Russian. Every bloody word in a sentence needs some alteration to make it grammatical..a never ending list of inflections. My Russian is still extremely rudimentary..)

There is a further example of the kinds of ways Russian and English diverge on p.65. The author takes the sentence 'I have arrived' in English and compares it with its Russian equivalent. He then gives a list of things that both languages encode in the utterance.
1) Speaker, 2) Female, 3) Arrival, 4) On foot, 5) Anterior, 6) Current relevance 7) Completed.
The English sentence encodes 1,3,5,6 while the Russian one encodes 1,2,3,4,5 and 7. That is, both languages encode first person speaker, arrival, and previousness, but they differ in other respects. The English sentence does not encode gender, but the Russian does, the English sentence does not encode means of arrival (on foot or by transport) but the Russian does, the Russian does not encode current relevance, but the English one does.

There were numerous examples of other ways in which languages compare and contrast and a lot of really good insights into the underlying structures of the languages dealt with. This is something that I have to think about in my day job. Sometimes the simplest of questions from a student can open a can of worms about the multiple different concepts that underlie seemingly equivalent words in English and Japanese.

I'll try to read some more up to date books and papers on this topic.

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Re: The Book Thread 2021

#87  Postby Blip » Mar 13, 2021 8:51 am

1. The Calcutta Chromosome by Amitav Ghosh
2. The Unconsoled by Kazuo Ishiguro
3. Thrush Green by Miss Read
4. A Pale View of Hills by Kazuo Ishiguro
5. Winter in Thrush Green by Miss Read
The Shortest Day by Colm Tóibín
6. The Binding by Bridget Collins
7. The Three-Body Problem by Cixin Liu translated by Ken Liu
8. The Dark Forest by Cixin Liu translated by Joel Martinsen
9. Death's End by Cixin Liu translated by Ken Liu
10. Travels with Charley by John Steinbeck
11. The Ebony Tower by John Fowles
12. The Lost Estate (Le Grand Meaulnes) by Henri Alain-Fournier translated by Robin Buss
13. Strange Flowers by Donal Ryan
14. The Japanese Lover by Isabel Allende

It was OK. I really want to like Allende but such of her work as I've read hasn't quite hit the spot for me.
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Re: The Book Thread 2021

#88  Postby crazyfitter » Mar 15, 2021 1:24 pm

I’ve only read Daughter of Fortune and thought it was brilliant. I’ll have to read another one.
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Re: The Book Thread 2021

#89  Postby Blip » Mar 16, 2021 10:02 am

crazyfitter wrote:I’ve only read Daughter of Fortune and thought it was brilliant. I’ll have to read another one.


Right, on the basis of your recommendation I'll try that one. I fancied Island Beneath the Sea but it's not available in Kindle format.
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Re: The Book Thread 2021

#90  Postby Challenger007 » Mar 16, 2021 11:25 am

For this year, I plan to read:
Theodore Dreiser - The Trilogy of Desire
Theodore Dreiser - American Tragedy
Winston Groom - Forrest Gump
Erich Maria Remarque - All Quiet on the Western Front
Erich Maria Remarque - Arc de Triomphe
Harper Lee - To Kill a Mockingbird

Now I am reading the second part of the Trilogy of Desire. I can rate these novels at 8/10. The works are very calm, thoughtful, but it is quite difficult to categorize them as reference books that can be re-read over and over again.
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Re: The Book Thread 2021

#91  Postby don't get me started » Mar 17, 2021 12:10 am

1. Pragmatic Meaning and Cognition – Sophia S.A. Marmaridou
2. Fire and Fury: The Allied Bombing of Germany and Japan - Randall Hansen
3. Cognitive Exploration of Language and Linguistics – René Dirven and Marjolijn Verspoor (Eds.)
4. Age of Static: How TV Explains Modern Britain – Phil Harrison
5. The Secret of Our Success: How Culture is Driving Human Evolution, Domesticating our Species and Making us Smarter – Joseph Henrich
6. Heroic Failure and the British - Stephanie Barczewski
7. Proust and the Squid: The Story and Science of the Reading Brain - Maryanne Wolf
8. Language Soup: A Taste of How Diverse People Around the World Communicate - Kathryn A. T. Knox
9. A Place for everything: The curious History of Alphabetical order – Judith Flanders
10. Contrastive Analysis - Carl James

11. Impossible Languages- Andrea Moro

145 pp.

A short but challenging read. It was pretty technical in parts and relies on the reader having a fair amount of familiarity with Generative linguistics. I do a have some familiarity with the formalisms of this approach - the concocted John and Mary sentences used to illustrate the structural features of deep grammar usually seem to me to be completely unrepresentative of the way speakers actually use language....but don't get me started on that.

In detailing the quantitative and qualitative difference between human and animal communications Moro has a nice expression on p 8. 'Animals only have a repertoire of fixed messages, and an exiguous set of messages at that. To put it simply: Humans have dictionaries of words; animals have dictionaries of sentences."

One of the problems facing those who would seek a TOE language theory akin to some kind of elegant and parsimonious equation from pure maths or logic, is the amount of redundancy built in to language. On p. 133 Moro gives an example from English and Italian.

"Consider the following noun phrase and its translation into Italian: 'This new wonderful red dress and Questo nuovo meraviglioso vestito rosso. In English the morpheme expressing singular number is overtly marked only once in the word this (as opposed to these; in Italian the same morpheme, (syncretically expressed with the masculine gender) is repeated five times on each and every word (by means of the vowel /o/)."

There is also a nice quite from Betrand Russell (p.110) who laments the fact that that the most promiscuous of verbs is the one that should be the most unambigous in expressions logic. " it is a disgrace to the human race that it has chosen the same word is for those two such entirely different ideas [ predication and identity] - a disgrace which a symbolic logical language of symbols remedies."

Ha ha... we have several thousand years of linguistic analysis to build on and it seems we still can't define what is is...either linguistically or philosophically.

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Re: The Book Thread 2021

#92  Postby romansh » Mar 17, 2021 4:04 am

Challenger007 wrote:For this year, I plan to read:
Theodore Dreiser - The Trilogy of Desire
Theodore Dreiser - American Tragedy
Winston Groom - Forrest Gump
Erich Maria Remarque - All Quiet on the Western Front
Erich Maria Remarque - Arc de Triomphe
Harper Lee - To Kill a Mockingbird

Now I am reading the second part of the Trilogy of Desire. I can rate these novels at 8/10. The works are very calm, thoughtful, but it is quite difficult to categorize them as reference books that can be re-read over and over again.

Wow ... I read All Quiet on ... some fifty years a go... poignant I thought.
Read Three Comrades and A Night in Lisbon at about the same time.
If you like that era of story telling, I recommend The Good Soldier Schweik by Jaroslav Hasek, though I found the enjoyability did depend on the translation a little bit.
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Re: The Book Thread 2021

#93  Postby crazyfitter » Mar 17, 2021 9:22 pm

1. A Game of Thrones - George RR Martin
2. A Clash of Kings - George RR Martin. I’m enjoying this series more than LotR
3. A Storm of Swords - George RR Martin
4. Master and Commander - Patrick O’Brian
5. A Feast for Crows - George RR Martin.
6. Extraterrestrial - Avi Loab
7. A Dance with Dragons - George RR Martin
8. we are bellingcat - Elliot Higgins
9. The Midnight Library - Matt Haig
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Re: The Book Thread 2021

#94  Postby Blip » Mar 18, 2021 8:38 am

1. The Calcutta Chromosome by Amitav Ghosh
2. The Unconsoled by Kazuo Ishiguro
3. Thrush Green by Miss Read
4. A Pale View of Hills by Kazuo Ishiguro
5. Winter in Thrush Green by Miss Read
The Shortest Day by Colm Tóibín
6. The Binding by Bridget Collins
7. The Three-Body Problem by Cixin Liu translated by Ken Liu
8. The Dark Forest by Cixin Liu translated by Joel Martinsen
9. Death's End by Cixin Liu translated by Ken Liu
10. Travels with Charley by John Steinbeck
11. The Ebony Tower by John Fowles
12. The Lost Estate (Le Grand Meaulnes) by Henri Alain-Fournier translated by Robin Buss
13. Strange Flowers by Donal Ryan
14. The Japanese Lover by Isabel Allende
15. From a Low and Quiet Sea by Donal Ryan

Louis de Bernières described this as 'not only very cleverly constructed, but deeply moving too'. He loved it and so did I. It has the most original and engaging construction I've come across in many a moon. Brilliant.
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Re: The Book Thread 2021

#95  Postby I'm With Stupid » Mar 20, 2021 2:30 pm

1. Hamnet by Maggie O'Farrell
2. Don't Believe a Word by David Shariatmadari
3. Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen
4. The White Tiger by Aravind Adiga
5. The Code of the Woosters by P.G. Wodehouse
6. Shuggie Bain by Douglas Stuart
7. Death on the Nile by Agatha Christie
8. Never Let Me Go by Kazuo Ishiguro

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Bought this from a Japanese bookshop where they tried to claim him in the Asian literature section.

I had a few weeks off reading, but this was great. I'd already seen the film so I knew what happened, but it didn't ruin it for me.
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Re: The Book Thread 2021

#96  Postby UncertainSloth » Mar 20, 2021 5:56 pm

ah, that's a great book, that is
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#97  Postby Blip » Mar 20, 2021 6:07 pm

Never Let me Go is one of the all-time great works for me.
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Re: The Book Thread 2021

#98  Postby NamelessFaceless » Mar 24, 2021 2:00 pm

Audiobooks in Italics

1. Lying Next To Me - Gregg Olsen
2. I Can't Make This Up - Kevin Hart
3. Beloved - Toni Morrison
4. In Our Time - Ernest Hemingway
5. Mrs. Dalloway - Virginia Woolf
6. Hollywood - Charles Bukowski
7. The Metamorphosis - Franz Kafka
8. A Simple Favor - Darcey Bell
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Re: The Book Thread 2021

#99  Postby Challenger007 » Mar 25, 2021 11:05 am

romansh wrote:
Challenger007 wrote:For this year, I plan to read:
Theodore Dreiser - The Trilogy of Desire
Theodore Dreiser - American Tragedy
Winston Groom - Forrest Gump
Erich Maria Remarque - All Quiet on the Western Front
Erich Maria Remarque - Arc de Triomphe
Harper Lee - To Kill a Mockingbird

Now I am reading the second part of the Trilogy of Desire. I can rate these novels at 8/10. The works are very calm, thoughtful, but it is quite difficult to categorize them as reference books that can be re-read over and over again.

Wow ... I read All Quiet on ... some fifty years a go... poignant I thought.
Read Three Comrades and A Night in Lisbon at about the same time.
If you like that era of story telling, I recommend The Good Soldier Schweik by Jaroslav Hasek, though I found the enjoyability did depend on the translation a little bit.


Thank you so much for the recommendations! I am glad that there are people who are interested in the same literature as me. And since it is impossible to know all the literature, I collect information from other readers. I'm just delighted with this thread - a lot of worthy books have already been mentioned - where can I find time to read? :ask:
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Re: The Book Thread 2021

#100  Postby UncertainSloth » Mar 25, 2021 4:06 pm

this is why i like seeing the covers - a cover can make me go and look the book up more than just seeing a title, especially if i haven't heard of it

there is so much goodness and variety on this thread, though
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