Getting depressed reading the histories of the wars in the US against the indigenes.

First Custer and Crazy Horse



then sorrowing through Bury My Heart a Wounded Knee.



then have



lined up....learning a lot ...much of it nauseating.....not that Canadians did much better and are still being a scourge to first nations.

BTW - https://www.bookbub.com/home ..is deadly tho I'm getting good books at very decent prices...deal is only for one day each time and I suspect it learns .....

I thought I'd check out 120 Days of Sodom since it's free on Kindle.

I literally have this look on my face while reading it.

This is some disturbing shit. I don't know if I'm going to be able to finish it.

I went through the same thought process several years ago, and there it still is in my bought books, because Kindle never forgets a book, though by this time it's a very long way down the list of books I've read or looked at.

After disgust I think astonishment was my principal reaction: why would anyone go to such trouble to catalogue all that revolting stuff?

I didn't finish it, by the way.

I'm at 9%. I dunno how much further I can go . . .

Marquis de Sade, right?

Where exactly does your surprise come from? The theme is literally in the name.

if you can read this without crying at man's inhumanity you left your heart somewhere.... and it hasn't ceased... When you get the litany of horrors all in one place.....it is just astonishing...truly open eyed genocide.

Mazille wrote:Marquis de Sade, right?

I prefer Bataille's Story of the Eye. More eyes, milk and pee. And there's a Bjork song.

Mazille wrote:Marquis de Sade, right?

Where exactly does your surprise come from? The theme is literally in the name.

Not surprise really. Just shock and disgust.

Have you seen the movie?

No. Ewwww.

Too scared. Can't imagine how this could possibly be made into a movie.

You're joking right?

Pasolini made a film, set in a different time and place (the dying days of the Fascist regime in Italy), which I have on DVD; but I didn't get very far into that either.

Well I see Netflix has it on DVD, but they don't carry A Serbian Film. Does the mean it's less disturbing than that?

Probably, but I haven't seen the latter (nor do I wish to!).

I finished Ragnarok by A. S. Byatt the other day. The Norse myths have never quite opened up for me until now.

NamelessFaceless wrote:No. Ewwww.

Too scared. Can't imagine how this could possibly be made into a movie.

You're joking right?

The film is graphic and disturbing because of its subject matter and it's interesting for its treatment of its source, but it's also interesting in itself as a film. There's quite a bit more to the violence and power in the film, as I recall. The distance from the subjectivity of the victims and the intent of the perpetrators does something weird.

NamelessFaceless wrote:Well I see Netflix has it on DVD, but they don't carry A Serbian Film. Does the mean it's less disturbing than that?

Everything is less disturbing than that.

Spinozasgalt wrote:I finished Ragnarok by A. S. Byatt the other day. The Norse myths have never quite opened up for me until now.

Don't read The Gospel of Loki.

You're welcome.

Macdoc wrote:

if you can read this without crying at man's inhumanity you left your heart somewhere.... and it hasn't ceased... When you get the litany of horrors all in one place.....it is just astonishing...truly open eyed genocide.

It's a superb book. An all time favourite of mine.

VazScep wrote:

Fallible wrote:I was toying with the idea of buying that Owen Jones book the other day, but was put off by some of the reviews. Let me know what you think of it, if you wouldn't mind.

I really enjoyed it, for what it's worth. He writes well. But I generally take these sort of books with large vats of salt.

I've used the term "Overton Window" in actual conversations, since, though I have to admit you can use it as a rhetorical device wherever you are on the political hyperplane.

I liked it but was also a little disappointed. I was expecting more of a history. It's more a 'pulling together of recent facts'. As such there is much that I found myself nodding along with with saying, 'I know, I know...'
He does write well.