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Air + Water = Petrol

#1  Postby mraltair » Oct 19, 2012 11:50 am

Exclusive: Pioneering scientists turn fresh air into petrol in massive boost in fight against energy crisis
A small British company has produced the first "petrol from air" using a revolutionary technology that promises to solve the energy crisis as well as helping to curb global warming by removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

Air Fuel Synthesis in Stockton-on-Tees has produced five litres of petrol since August when it switched on a small refinery that manufactures gasoline from carbon dioxide and water vapour.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 17382.html

Didn't see this posted.

How cool is that. My colleague told me to bookmark the page as the oil companies will start a cover up :lol: So I'm spreading the news!

ETA: Is this a good place for it? Maybe news? :scratch:
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#2  Postby trubble76 » Oct 19, 2012 12:28 pm

Just to add, as I understand it this is basically an energy storage method. Energy from 'clean' sources such as wind energy can be used to create the fuel which can then be burnt later to release than stored energy. The process is more or less carbon neutral.
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#3  Postby mattthomas » Oct 19, 2012 12:36 pm

pulling carbon dioxide out of the air to make hydrocarbon which is then burnt releasing carbon dioxide into the air, that's pretty carbon neutral aside from the energy taken to produce it in the first place. Still a better step forward than digging it out of the ground to burn into the atmosphere.
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#4  Postby mraltair » Oct 19, 2012 12:53 pm

Sort of cleans the atmosphere of carbon, until you burn the fuel of course. Probably the best bit of this is that you can continue to use combustion engines in everything rather than changing the design of all our engines when we run out of oil from the ground.
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#5  Postby mattthomas » Oct 19, 2012 1:02 pm

mraltair wrote:Sort of cleans the atmosphere of carbon, until you burn the fuel of course. Probably the best bit of this is that you can continue to use combustion engines in everything rather than changing the design of all our engines when we run out of oil from the ground.

I don't actually consider that a positive... With one modification I'd be over the fucking moon, and that would be to incorporate carbon capture devices into the engines like are being retrofitted some coal fired power stations, over time, the very engines that polluted our atmosphere could play a part in cleaning it again.

ETA... Of course I'm just ignoring for convenience the high level CO2 we couldn't hope to reach with a car engine.
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#6  Postby chairman bill » Oct 19, 2012 1:06 pm

I want one fitted to my car, so that as it burns petrol, the hydrocarbons given off as exhaust gases, get recycled through this process & re-enter the petrol tank. A perpetually filled tank, a closed system engine, zero emissions. Sounds about perfect ;)
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#7  Postby Ironclad » Oct 19, 2012 1:17 pm

If air+ water= petrol why aren't the clouds on fire, eh? Get out of that one, brainiacs.
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#8  Postby mattthomas » Oct 19, 2012 1:22 pm

Ironclad wrote:If air+ water= petrol why aren't the clouds on fire, eh? Get out of that one, brainiacs.

Because the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is separate from the hydrogen in the water vapour... hence no hydrocarbons....

Plus, have you ever tried to light a match up in the clouds :lol:
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#9  Postby Ironclad » Oct 19, 2012 1:24 pm

Don't be fucking stupid, I'm not tall enuff.
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#10  Postby mattthomas » Oct 19, 2012 1:25 pm

Ironclad wrote:Don't be fucking stupid, I'm not tall enuff.

You're also shit at replying to texts but we won't go there will we :hand:

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#11  Postby mraltair » Oct 19, 2012 1:57 pm

Air + tears = combustible fluid on your face.

mattwilson wrote:
mraltair wrote:Sort of cleans the atmosphere of carbon, until you burn the fuel of course. Probably the best bit of this is that you can continue to use combustion engines in everything rather than changing the design of all our engines when we run out of oil from the ground.

I don't actually consider that a positive... With one modification I'd be over the fucking moon, and that would be to incorporate carbon capture devices into the engines like are being retrofitted some coal fired power stations, over time, the very engines that polluted our atmosphere could play a part in cleaning it again.

ETA... Of course I'm just ignoring for convenience the high level CO2 we couldn't hope to reach with a car engine.


But if we run out of crude oil and get our petrol from the device in the article and added a capture device to all engines we would have a COC in on our hands. A Clean Oil Crisis, we would run out of carbon in the atmosphere and then run out of petrol. Again.
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#12  Postby mattthomas » Oct 19, 2012 2:10 pm

mraltair wrote:Air + tears = combustible fluid on your face.

mattwilson wrote:
mraltair wrote:Sort of cleans the atmosphere of carbon, until you burn the fuel of course. Probably the best bit of this is that you can continue to use combustion engines in everything rather than changing the design of all our engines when we run out of oil from the ground.

I don't actually consider that a positive... With one modification I'd be over the fucking moon, and that would be to incorporate carbon capture devices into the engines like are being retrofitted some coal fired power stations, over time, the very engines that polluted our atmosphere could play a part in cleaning it again.

ETA... Of course I'm just ignoring for convenience the high level CO2 we couldn't hope to reach with a car engine.


But if we run out of crude oil and get our petrol from the device in the article and added a capture device to all engines we would have a COC in on our hands. A Clean Oil Crisis, we would run out of carbon in the atmosphere and then run out of petrol. Again.

No because the carbon capture devices would become the source for the carbon used in the production of the fuel.
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#13  Postby iamthereforeithink » Oct 19, 2012 2:25 pm

chairman bill wrote:I want one fitted to my car, so that as it burns petrol, the hydrocarbons given off as exhaust gases, get recycled through this process & re-enter the petrol tank. A perpetually filled tank, a closed system engine, zero emissions. Sounds about perfect ;)


Looks like you've discovered the secret of the perpetual motion machine.
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#14  Postby mraltair » Oct 19, 2012 2:32 pm

mattwilson wrote:
mraltair wrote:Air + tears = combustible fluid on your face.

mattwilson wrote:
mraltair wrote:Sort of cleans the atmosphere of carbon, until you burn the fuel of course. Probably the best bit of this is that you can continue to use combustion engines in everything rather than changing the design of all our engines when we run out of oil from the ground.

I don't actually consider that a positive... With one modification I'd be over the fucking moon, and that would be to incorporate carbon capture devices into the engines like are being retrofitted some coal fired power stations, over time, the very engines that polluted our atmosphere could play a part in cleaning it again.

ETA... Of course I'm just ignoring for convenience the high level CO2 we couldn't hope to reach with a car engine.


But if we run out of crude oil and get our petrol from the device in the article and added a capture device to all engines we would have a COC in on our hands. A Clean Oil Crisis, we would run out of carbon in the atmosphere and then run out of petrol. Again.

No because the carbon capture devices would become the source for the carbon used in the production of the fuel.


Aah I see.

Or we could set up something like this.
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Carbon capture trees to collect it at the roadside ready to send to turn into fuel.

Of course when technology gets better we can move onto bill's idea of a closed engine. :lol:
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#15  Postby Microfarad » Oct 19, 2012 3:16 pm

chairman bill wrote:I want one fitted to my car, so that as it burns petrol, the hydrocarbons given off as exhaust gases, get recycled through this process & re-enter the petrol tank. A perpetually filled tank, a closed system engine, zero emissions. Sounds about perfect ;)

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#16  Postby laklak » Oct 19, 2012 4:05 pm

Reminds me of an older, closed technology. Grass feeds horse, horse pulls wagon, horse shit fertilizes grass.

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#17  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Oct 19, 2012 4:19 pm

trubble76 wrote:Just to add, as I understand it this is basically an energy storage method. Energy from 'clean' sources such as wind energy can be used to create the fuel which can then be burnt later to release than stored energy. The process is more or less carbon neutral.


It would have to be a storage solution. It isn't producing more energy than it takes to make it, unless the laws of thermodynamics have drastically changed.

It's going to be as clean as the energy used to make it.
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#18  Postby chairman bill » Oct 19, 2012 5:05 pm

iamthereforeithink wrote:
chairman bill wrote:I want one fitted to my car, so that as it burns petrol, the hydrocarbons given off as exhaust gases, get recycled through this process & re-enter the petrol tank. A perpetually filled tank, a closed system engine, zero emissions. Sounds about perfect ;)


Looks like you've discovered the secret of the perpetual motion machine.


I'm off to patent the idea ...
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#19  Postby ScientificSkeptic » Dec 05, 2012 8:14 am

It sounds nice;Taking carbon dioxide and turning it into petrol.

"Although the process is still in the early developmental stages and needs to take electricity from the national grid to work, the company believes it will eventually be possible to use power from renewable sources such as wind farms or tidal barrages."

Sounds like it uses more energy to produce petrol then is worth it. Wait, sounds? It just said it!!^


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#20  Postby zulumoose » Dec 05, 2012 8:23 am

I think the best example of this is also the simplest. Clean energy sources used to produce electricity, the electricity used in electrolysis to separate hydrogen and oxygen from water, the hydrogen stored as a fuel to be burnt later producing water, zero pollution.

Only problems are the efficiency losses, and the storage and transport of liquid hydrogen tanks under pressure.

It is a potential solution though, for future high energy to weight ratio engine requirements.
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