Can a christian deny the old testament?
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For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
theropod wrote:Without the Old Testament notion of original sin there is no need for the perfect sacrifice of the Christ to atone for said sin.
RS
theropod wrote:Then your church taught/believed something that cannot be considered Christianity. I am sure you will find the New Testament states quite clearly that the Christ is consider the Lamb of God, which represents the unblemished sacrifice required to antone for our sinful nature, which was established according to the Old Testament notion of original sin, and the required type of sacrifice.
RS
PensivePenny wrote:Thanks zulu.
The full verse (I had to look it up):For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Don't a lot of christians already claim that all the old testament has been "fulfilled?" In terms of prophecy? Or am I misreading that?
PensivePenny wrote:Crank, I'm not so sure. A multitude of apologists have proven that enough verbal gymnastics can change entire meanings.
theropod wrote:You didn't answer the question. Was Jim Jones teaching Christianity or not? I didn't compare him to your church, that is your evasive misrepresentation of my query. It seems rather clear you avoided a response because if YOU deny his way was Christianity then your accusation of strawmanning on my part becomes a reflection of your own. If you claim he was teaching Christianity then the baggage of his murderous shit becomes the baggage of all Christianty, and from that point on anything and everything can be called Christianity. Which do you choose? Your thread title asks opinion of bible experts. I studied Bible in Religious Education in college as my major. If you don't actually want the input of a Bible scholar why start a thread asking for such?
RS
Thomas Eshuis wrote:[*]PensivePenny wrote:Thanks zulu.
The full verse (I had to look it up):For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Don't a lot of christians already claim that all the old testament has been "fulfilled?" In terms of prophecy? Or am I misreading that?
If something is fulfilled it's done. Go ask those Christians whether we can chuck out all the OT laws, including the 10 commandments since there's supposedly done.
Alternatively point out that laws can never be permantly fulfilled. They can only be contiously fulfilled by obeying them and executing the appropriate punishment.
Thomas Eshuis wrote:PensivePenny wrote:Crank, I'm not so sure. A multitude of apologists have proven that enough verbal gymnastics can change entire meanings.
That's not changing the meaning, that's changing the interpetation.
And unless those apologist can provide evidence that their interpetation is the way it was intended by the biblical authors/god, they haven't got anything to go on.
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