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Apparently teens are being bullied for being Christian.

#1  Postby felltoearth » May 07, 2013 3:43 pm

From this news story. A fundie friend on posted it on FB. I looked up the first claim about the essay contest but couldn't find anything on the web. What a surprise. When your first paragraph is doubtful what follows will almost certainly be a large load of crap and lies. If anyone can find a link to the original news story I would appreciate it.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/teens-decide-to-fight-back-against-anti-christian-bullies.html

Late last year, a public school teacher in northern Idaho told students to write an essay titled, “I Believe.” But there was one caveat – the students were not allowed to write anything about God in their papers.

That act of religious censorship prompted a group of Christian students to start asking questions – and those questions led to the creation of a video that addresses Christian bullying in public schools.
“There is a lot of bullying directed at Christian kids in public schools and the culture at large,” said Gary Brown, founder of Reach America. “So many teenagers are being ostracized for being a Christian.”


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#2  Postby Zwaarddijk » May 07, 2013 4:05 pm

If this is an accurate story, it still may be committing several lies of omission: we all hold very many beliefs, some of which are justified. Thinking about these beliefs in general may be a good thing for anyone. By excluding God from the permitted topics, it is very possible he tried encouraging critical thought about beliefs - and realized that if people get to write about God, they will write about him and suffocate their inner critic immediately.

Secondarily, some who are strongly indoctrinated would probably write very unoriginally and without investing one iota of creative thought if God was a permitted topic - they would just ape what they've heard at church.

Christians are also forbidden to write about God in maths tests, I don't see how this is any different. And Christians, just as everyone else, should be able to write about things that are not their religion.

Whoever is making an issue out of this - if it is true -is a big-time idiot.
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#3  Postby Wiðercora » May 07, 2013 4:20 pm

Christianity is being frozen out in America.


Riiiight.

This isn’t the America that we, as parents and grandparents, once knew.


Indeed. I imagine all - well, no there's always some. Let's go with the majority. I imagine that vast majority of Christians who aren't straight white men are very happy about that.

Can't find anything on this supposed essay, btw. Without a school name it's very difficult. Makes me wonder if Todd found it in an e-mail.
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#4  Postby Ihavenofingerprints » May 07, 2013 4:22 pm

Watch the video this story is about. It appears to be the children (or puppets) of some self righteous fundamentalist wackjobs who want to bring "Jesus" and "Creationism" back into public schools.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYaJjiHr4rs[/youtube]

Apparently the 18 hours a day they aren't at school isn't enough time to pray and worship their favorite Jewish philosopher. They must fight back to ensure each and every student must be forever having to put up with the hysterical preachings of a minority of deluded lunatics
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#5  Postby Shrunk » May 07, 2013 5:31 pm

felltoearth wrote:From this news story. A fundie friend on posted it on FB. I looked up the first claim about the essay contest but couldn't find anything on the web. What a surprise. When your first paragraph is doubtful what follows will almost certainly be a large load of crap and lies. If anyone can find a link to the original news story I would appreciate it.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/teens-decide-to-fight-back-against-anti-christian-bullies.html

Late last year, a public school teacher in northern Idaho told students to write an essay titled, “I Believe.” But there was one caveat – the students were not allowed to write anything about God in their papers.


I actually don't find it so implausible that a teacher could misunderstand the Establishment Clause and think that it means students are not allowed to even mention God in an essay.

But I wouldn't dismiss the possibility that the story is purely bullshit.
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#6  Postby reddix » May 07, 2013 6:03 pm

Ihavenofingerprints wrote:Watch the video this story is about. It appears to be the children (or puppets) of some self righteous fundamentalist wackjobs who want to bring "Jesus" and "Creationism" back into public schools.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYaJjiHr4rs[/youtube]


That video creeps me out. There is a lot wrong with it. Especially the line where they reveal their underlying motive when they proclaim:


"People who do not believe in our god have STOLEN our country."


Scary.
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#7  Postby reddix » May 07, 2013 6:13 pm

btw "Reach America" is located in Rathdrum, Idaho. At least that is where their mailing address is from.

http://letsreachamerica.org/
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Re: Apparently teens are being bullied for being Christian.

#8  Postby Bubalus » May 07, 2013 8:23 pm

reddix wrote:
Ihavenofingerprints wrote:Watch the video this story is about. It appears to be the children (or puppets) of some self righteous fundamentalist wackjobs who want to bring "Jesus" and "Creationism" back into public schools.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYaJjiHr4rs[/youtube]


That video creeps me out. There is a lot wrong with it. Especially the line where they reveal their underlying motive when they proclaim:


"People who do not believe in our god have STOLEN our country."


Scary.


Had to laugh when the cross fell over at the end :naughty2:

But yes creepy
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#9  Postby Shrunk » May 08, 2013 12:40 am

That they're still butt-hurting over Dan Savage's "pansy-ass" comment demonstrates exactly how fictional this "persecution" is. If that's the most egregious insult they've suffered, they have nothing to complain about.
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Re: Apparently teens are being bullied for being Christian.

#10  Postby kamel » May 08, 2013 2:07 am

[quote="Ihavenofingerprints";p="1704052"]Watch the video this story is about. It appears to be the children (or puppets) of some self righteous fundamentalist wackjobs who want to bring "Jesus" and "Creationism" back into public schools.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYaJjiHr4rs[/youtube]

Some call them hateful,hypocrites,unloving,close minded and bigots.I think that is very good and frank evaluation.
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#11  Postby willhud9 » May 08, 2013 4:02 am

I remember I wrote an essay in my Ap Lit class comparing Oedipus Rex to various stories in the Bible. My teacher loved it. I also remember being allowed to read my Bible during non-class hours in school, I remember being able to pray, I remember even going to an after school Bible study. But that is the point. I could not just break out my Bible during the middle of class. I could not just break out in prayer during a test like some pentacostal charismatic. And I could not proselytize. Which is usually the case in these "news stories" Fox News likes to harp on about.

While I am sure there may be some form of discrimination somewhere, I am also sure atheists and agnostics are equally if not more discriminated against in our public school system. Can I coin the War on AtheismTM now?
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#12  Postby trubble76 » May 08, 2013 8:52 am

willhud9 wrote:I remember I wrote an essay in my Ap Lit class comparing Oedipus Rex to various stories in the Bible. My teacher loved it. I also remember being allowed to read my Bible during non-class hours in school, I remember being able to pray, I remember even going to an after school Bible study. But that is the point. I could not just break out my Bible during the middle of class. I could not just break out in prayer during a test like some pentacostal charismatic. And I could not proselytize. Which is usually the case in these "news stories" Fox News likes to harp on about.

While I am sure there may be some form of discrimination somewhere, I am also sure atheists and agnostics are equally if not more discriminated against in our public school system. Can I coin the War on AtheismTM now?


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#13  Postby Wiðercora » May 08, 2013 5:49 pm

Oedipus Rex was written ~400BC. It's plausible that hellenic Jews and the early hellenistic Christian communities would have been familiar with it.
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#14  Postby Mick » May 13, 2013 1:23 am

It'd be a weird request to write what you believe but mention nothing of god, I wonder why the exclusion.
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#15  Postby Ihavenofingerprints » May 13, 2013 1:45 am

Mick wrote:It'd be a weird request to write what you believe but mention nothing of god, I wonder why the exclusion.


They didn't provide any actual examples of this happening. And it wouldn't be the only lie in their video/articles if it weren't true...
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#16  Postby Zwaarddijk » May 13, 2013 9:56 am

Mick wrote:It'd be a weird request to write what you believe but mention nothing of god, I wonder why the exclusion.


I already provided a good potential explanation for that. Try reading it. However, the whole story probably is made up.
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#17  Postby purplerat » May 17, 2013 9:37 pm

Zwaarddijk wrote:If this is an accurate story, it still may be committing several lies of omission: we all hold very many beliefs, some of which are justified. Thinking about these beliefs in general may be a good thing for anyone. By excluding God from the permitted topics, it is very possible he tried encouraging critical thought about beliefs - and realized that if people get to write about God, they will write about him and suffocate their inner critic immediately.

Secondarily, some who are strongly indoctrinated would probably write very unoriginally and without investing one iota of creative thought if God was a permitted topic - they would just ape what they've heard at church.

Christians are also forbidden to write about God in maths tests, I don't see how this is any different. And Christians, just as everyone else, should be able to write about things that are not their religion.

Whoever is making an issue out of this - if it is true -is a big-time idiot.

I was thinking the same thing. It's not at all unusual for teachers to make exclusions or rules for a writing assignment simply to avoid repetitive, unoriginal and thoughtless essays. How many students does this teach have or how many would they be giving this assignment to? If for no other reason than the boredom of having to read dozens of god-bothering essays all saying the same things I could see a teacher setting such parameters.
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The Thaw

#18  Postby DoctorE » May 21, 2013 9:37 am


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#19  Postby Varangian » May 21, 2013 10:54 am

I could stand 1:30. BTW, are all US Christian kids that ugly?
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#20  Postby Animavore » May 21, 2013 12:27 pm

"Why are they teaching every other theory is science but creationism?"


Lol!

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