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Ashes must be Stored in a Vatican Approved Place

#1  Postby Alan B » Oct 25, 2016 2:41 pm

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Vatican bans Catholics from keeping ashes of loved ones at home

Cremation guidelines state remains cannot be scattered or kept at home but rather stored in a sacred, church-approved place

Catholics are forbidden from keeping the ashes of cremated loved ones at home, scattering them, dividing them between family members or turning them into mementoes, the Vatican has ruled.

Ashes must be stored in a sacred place, such as a cemetery, according to instructions disclosed at a press conference in Rome on Tuesday.
Cardinal Gerhard Müller, the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, reiterated that burial of the dead was preferable to cremation.

“We come from the earth and we shall return to the earth,” he said. “The church continues to incessantly recommend that the bodies of the dead be buried either in cemeteries or in other sacred ground.”
Ashes must be kept “in a holy place, that is a cemetery or a church or in a place that has been specifically dedicated to this purpose. The conservation of ashes in the home is not allowed,” he said.

“Furthermore, in order to avoid any form of pantheistic or naturalistic or nihilistic misunderstanding, the dispersion of ashes in the air, on the ground, on water or in some other way as well as the conversion of cremated ashes into commemorative objects is not allowed.”

I bet there will be a hefty annual/monthly fee to, er, occupy that holy place. And when that place is full up, what then?
If there is a fee, what will happen if there are no longer any family members to cough-up. And if the family becomes atheist will the church discard the ashes?
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#2  Postby ScholasticSpastic » Oct 25, 2016 3:02 pm

Alan B wrote:

“We come from the earth and we shall return to the earth,” he said.

What is it about cremation that interferes with this? And how do they deal with the fact that hallowed ground is just as transitory as every other human invention? What happens when everyone's forgotten where the cemetery is and built shopping malls and hooker hotels on top of it?
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#3  Postby surreptitious57 » Oct 25, 2016 3:32 pm

Good job I am not a Catholic anymore as mine are being scattered in my garden. Even so ashes are the property
of the next of kin. It should be up to them to decide what to do with them unless otherwise specified. The only
reason the bias against cremation exists is because Jesus was buried. However that was a couple of millennia
ago and things are rather different now. There are two billion Catholics in the world. If they are all going to
be buried that is going to take a lot of space. Cremation is therefore more practical regardless of tradition
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#4  Postby laklak » Oct 25, 2016 3:35 pm

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#5  Postby Alan B » Oct 25, 2016 5:34 pm

Just thought - if there is a fee, will it be tax-deductible?
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#6  Postby The_Metatron » Oct 25, 2016 11:00 pm

Alan B wrote:The Guardian
Vatican bans Catholics from keeping ashes of loved ones at home

Cremation guidelines state remains cannot be scattered or kept at home but rather stored in a sacred, church-approved place
[Reveal] Spoiler:
Catholics are forbidden from keeping the ashes of cremated loved ones at home, scattering them, dividing them between family members or turning them into mementoes, the Vatican has ruled.

Ashes must be stored in a sacred place, such as a cemetery, according to instructions disclosed at a press conference in Rome on Tuesday.
Cardinal Gerhard Müller, the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, reiterated that burial of the dead was preferable to cremation.

“We come from the earth and we shall return to the earth,” he said. “The church continues to incessantly recommend that the bodies of the dead be buried either in cemeteries or in other sacred ground.”
Ashes must be kept “in a holy place, that is a cemetery or a church or in a place that has been specifically dedicated to this purpose. The conservation of ashes in the home is not allowed,” he said.

“Furthermore, in order to avoid any form of pantheistic or naturalistic or nihilistic misunderstanding, the dispersion of ashes in the air, on the ground, on water or in some other way as well as the conversion of cremated ashes into commemorative objects is not allowed.”

I bet there will be a hefty annual/monthly fee to, er, occupy that holy place. And when that place is full up, what then?
If there is a fee, what will happen if there are no longer any family members to cough-up. And if the family becomes atheist will the church discard the ashes?

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#7  Postby Blackadder » Oct 26, 2016 5:01 am

It wouldn't surprise me if there's a fee. We are talking about the most successful organised crime syndicate in human history. If they could find a way to extort money from you even after you're dead, they would. If there's one thing the Roman Catholic Church has always known, it's how to make a buck.
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#8  Postby Fenrir » Oct 26, 2016 5:49 am

They only lifted the ban on cremation in 1963. They are just trying to keep their grubby fingers on people's lives.

One grudging backward step at a time.

Have the catholics ever been progressive? About anything?
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#9  Postby NineBerry » Oct 26, 2016 8:01 am

In fact, many European countries have for a long time banned keeping ashes at home. In Germany, for example, you can only keep it at cemeteries or scatter the ashes only at approved licensed places.
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#10  Postby Evolving » Oct 26, 2016 9:34 am

I'm a catholic, or was (a catholic atheist, then), and I never even knew the church had permitted cremation for over fifty years. They seem to have kept that very quiet in my neck of the woods. Or I wasn't paying attention, I suppose.

They do still say, apparently, that “cremation does not hold the same value” as interment.
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#11  Postby Alan B » Oct 26, 2016 10:14 am

Is internment free?
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#12  Postby Mazille » Oct 26, 2016 1:08 pm

Around here, no. I haven't ever seen the bills, though, so I don't know who gets the money. I think most cemeteries are municipal ground and so the cities get the money. I guess you pay for the church ceremony too.
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#13  Postby Animavore » Oct 26, 2016 1:12 pm

I know where they can stick my ashes.
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#14  Postby Mazille » Oct 26, 2016 1:14 pm

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#15  Postby Animavore » Oct 26, 2016 1:22 pm

IN A bid to clear up any confusion about their latest ruling on the cremated remains of loved ones, the Vatican confirmed it is still alright to scatter paedophile priests wherever they want, but not ashes.

Yesterday the headquarters of the Roman Catholic Church urged followers not to scatter the ashes of the dead after cremation and instead to store them in places approved by the Church.


cont. http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/1 ... nt=Article
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#16  Postby laklak » Oct 26, 2016 2:56 pm

NineBerry wrote:In fact, many European countries have for a long time banned keeping ashes at home. In Germany, for example, you can only keep it at cemeteries or scatter the ashes only at approved licensed places.


Any idea why?
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#17  Postby monkeyboy » Oct 26, 2016 3:22 pm

The reason they want people buried is for the zombie uprising when the Jeebus comes back, like the one that happened in Jerusalem when the bloody Romans nailed him up before. It's all there in the book. If everyone's cremated and sat on mantlepieces etc, that zombie plan is going tits up at the off.
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#18  Postby chairman bill » Oct 26, 2016 3:27 pm

Is it OK to be eaten by a crocodile & turned into crocodile shit? What is the Catholic perspective on this? I was going to donate my body to Bristol zoo.
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#19  Postby monkeyboy » Oct 26, 2016 3:51 pm

What happens if a person donates several organs to people of different faiths who dispose of their bodies in alternative methods?

If the Breaking Bad guys dissolve you in acid, do you get banned from heaven?

What if you died in space like they did in Armaggedon? (hmmmm, Liv Tyler moment) They might not be able to get the bits of your body back?

The bloody catliks always provoke more questions than they answer!
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#20  Postby NineBerry » Oct 26, 2016 4:46 pm

laklak wrote:
NineBerry wrote:In fact, many European countries have for a long time banned keeping ashes at home. In Germany, for example, you can only keep it at cemeteries or scatter the ashes only at approved licensed places.


Any idea why?


Obvious: Influence of the Christian churches.

Another reason given is that if one person does not bury a dead person's remains at a publicly accessible place, other persons would not be able to pay respect to the deceased.
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