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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#101  Postby Wortfish » Dec 03, 2018 3:20 am

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Oh, not the old, threadbare god of the gaps argument again. Really? Aren't you embarrassed to post such intellectually vacant rubbish?

No. I am just saying that 300 years of science has not provided an explanation to replace the ancient belief in the divine generation of thunderbolts. Maybe it is time to admit that there may be more than just electrons behind the phenomenon.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#102  Postby SafeAsMilk » Dec 03, 2018 3:31 am

Science isn't tied to there being nothing behind the phenomenon. You guys just haven't provided a single shred of evidence for it being a god, let alone your particular god.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#103  Postby laklak » Dec 03, 2018 3:33 am

We're still studying, in great detail, how lightning is formed. There is agreement on the general process, but the details are not completely known, particularly for the roughly 75% of lightning events that are incredibly difficult to study. We have a much better understanding of cloud to ground, because it's easy to find someplace to put the instrumentation, but that only makes up about 25% of events. There's a great deal of research going on, and we don't know it all yet.







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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#104  Postby Scot Dutchy » Dec 03, 2018 8:43 am

How about the Universe Wortty? If it took seven days for a poultry earth; how many for the rest of the universe or even the multiverse? Not six thousand years anyway.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#105  Postby Blackadder » Dec 03, 2018 8:47 am

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Blackadder wrote:
Oh, not the old, threadbare god of the gaps argument again. Really? Aren't you embarrassed to post such intellectually vacant rubbish?

No. I am just saying that 300 years of science has not provided an explanation to replace the ancient belief in the divine generation of thunderbolts. Maybe it is time to admit that there may be more than just electrons behind the phenomenon.


Your fuckwit ancestors believed thunderbolts were being physically thrown from the fingertips of human-like gods. That’s been the full extent of religion’s contribution to the study of lightning, something people like you will try to obfuscate with your usual dishonest tactics. Scientific endeavour is rather more honest and productive than pulling god out of your sphincter every time we have a gap in our knowledge.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#106  Postby zulumoose » Dec 03, 2018 9:01 am

Scot Dutchy wrote: If it took seven days for a poultry earth; how many for the rest of the universe


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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#107  Postby Hermit » Dec 03, 2018 9:40 am

Wortfish wrote:300 years of science has not provided an explanation to replace the ancient belief in the divine generation of thunderbolts.

Or rainbows, for that matter. It's just so much more satisfying, not to mention useful, to imagine that rainbows are not merely a matter of light refracting through raindrops or mist, but that they are God's reminder to his own self not to drown planet earth once more. There's a side benefit too: We can waste our time wondering where all that water came from that was needed for such a deluge, and where it has disappeared to afterwards. It's truly mysterious, for it seems that right now there is only just enough water on the planet to raise water levels by another 80 metres once every crystal of ice has melted. Mount Ararat is 3,611metres high, and the Himalayas more than twice that much.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#108  Postby Cito di Pense » Dec 03, 2018 10:15 am

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Wortfish wrote:300 years of science has not provided an explanation to replace the ancient belief in the divine generation of thunderbolts.

Or rainbows, for that matter. It's just so much more satisfying, not to mention useful, to imagine that rainbows are not merely a matter of light refracting through raindrops or mist, but that they are God's reminder to his own self not to drown planet earth once more. There's a side benefit too: We can waste our time wondering where all that water came from that was needed for such a deluge, and where it has disappeared to afterwards. It's truly mysterious, for it seems that right now there is only just enough water on the planet to raise water levels by another 80 metres once every crystal of ice has melted. Mount Ararat is 3,611metres high, and the Himalayas more than twice that much.


Oh, you could take every chunk of rock that rests above, say, less than 500 meters below sea level, toss it into the ocean basins, and there would not be a speck of rock less than 500 meters below the surface of a very wide ocean. The problem is certainly not that there isn't enough water. The problem is that the creationist cosmos is static (except for the occasional miracle) and Wortfish knows very little about the planet that he lives upon and upon which walk numerous oxygen thieves.

See the following entertaining discussion:

https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com ... roded-away
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#109  Postby Wortfish » Dec 03, 2018 10:52 am

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Your fuckwit ancestors believed thunderbolts were being physically thrown from the fingertips of human-like gods. That’s been the full extent of religion’s contribution to the study of lightning, something people like you will try to obfuscate with your usual dishonest tactics. Scientific endeavour is rather more honest and productive than pulling god out of your sphincter every time we have a gap in our knowledge.


I think the idea of gods chucking thunderbolts should be interpreted poetically and metaphorically. However, I find it amusing that scientists cannot explain a very regular natural phenomenon with reference to natural causes. Perhaps lightning is a manifestation of divine power as much as it is electrostatic discharge.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#110  Postby Wortfish » Dec 03, 2018 10:53 am

laklak wrote:We're still studying, in great detail, how lightning is formed. There is agreement on the general process, but the details are not completely known, particularly for the roughly 75% of lightning events that are incredibly difficult to study. We have a much better understanding of cloud to ground, because it's easy to find someplace to put the instrumentation, but that only makes up about 25% of events. There's a great deal of research going on, and we don't know it all yet.


I am not claiming that there are not physical principles involved in lightning...just that there may be more to it than just physics.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#111  Postby BlackBart » Dec 03, 2018 10:54 am

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Blackadder wrote:
Your fuckwit ancestors believed thunderbolts were being physically thrown from the fingertips of human-like gods. That’s been the full extent of religion’s contribution to the study of lightning, something people like you will try to obfuscate with your usual dishonest tactics. Scientific endeavour is rather more honest and productive than pulling god out of your sphincter every time we have a gap in our knowledge.


I think the idea of gods chucking thunderbolts should be interpreted poetically and metaphorically. However, I find it amusing that scientists cannot explain a very regular natural phenomenon with reference to natural causes. Perhaps lightning is a manifestation of divine power as much as it is electrostatic discharge.


Evidence of electric discharge: A fuckton.

Evidence of divine power: Squat.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#112  Postby Alan B » Dec 03, 2018 12:06 pm

Bishop Ussher was a typical ignorant cleric of the time who thought he could use simple arithmetic to 'prove' that Gawd started the Earth about 4024 BC. Therefore Gawd.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#113  Postby Scot Dutchy » Dec 03, 2018 1:53 pm

When did he start with the universe? Before or after?
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#114  Postby laklak » Dec 03, 2018 2:56 pm

The Earth is the universe. The rest is just a light show.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#115  Postby Scot Dutchy » Dec 03, 2018 3:20 pm

laklak wrote:The Earth is the universe. The rest is just a light show.


Yep. That's the way they see it.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#116  Postby SafeAsMilk » Dec 03, 2018 3:30 pm

Wortfish wrote:
Blackadder wrote:
Your fuckwit ancestors believed thunderbolts were being physically thrown from the fingertips of human-like gods. That’s been the full extent of religion’s contribution to the study of lightning, something people like you will try to obfuscate with your usual dishonest tactics. Scientific endeavour is rather more honest and productive than pulling god out of your sphincter every time we have a gap in our knowledge.


I think the idea of gods chucking thunderbolts should be interpreted poetically and metaphorically.

Of course you do, because it's the only way for you to get out of acknowledging the sorts of stupid shit religious people literally believe. If you want anyone else to accept your incredibly lame and transparent apologetics, though, you'll have to provide evidence that it's supposed to be interpreted that way. I know that won't be forthcoming because you don't do evidence.


However, I find it amusing that scientists cannot explain a very regular natural phenomenon with reference to natural causes. Perhaps lightning is a manifestation of divine power as much as it is electrostatic discharge.

I'd say perhaps you could provide some evidence for this view, but I know you don't have any. Which is amazing, because you've had practically the entire history of civilization to come up with even the slightest shred of evidence, anything at all. And yet, your wishful thinking has produced exactly nothing. It's just yet more intellectual laziness and dishonesty that always comes from religious thinking. Let me point out to you again: I could say that I personally cause the lighting, and this explanation would STILL be more likely than your magical sky daddy fantasy, because at least it can be shown that I exist. Wish all you want, but not a single rigorous investigation of any phenomenon has ever, in the history of all humanity, come to the final conclusion that ghosts n' goblins did it. Your brain-dead, bronze age, goat-fucker beliefs have lost, get over it.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#117  Postby SafeAsMilk » Dec 03, 2018 3:35 pm

Wortfish wrote:
laklak wrote:We're still studying, in great detail, how lightning is formed. There is agreement on the general process, but the details are not completely known, particularly for the roughly 75% of lightning events that are incredibly difficult to study. We have a much better understanding of cloud to ground, because it's easy to find someplace to put the instrumentation, but that only makes up about 25% of events. There's a great deal of research going on, and we don't know it all yet.


I am not claiming that there are not physical principles involved in lightning...just that there may be more to it than just physics.

Unfortunately, you claiming something is worth both diddly and squat. When are you going to get it through your skull that evidence has value, and your fantasies don't?
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#118  Postby Scot Dutchy » Dec 03, 2018 3:37 pm

When was the universe made? Before or after the earth?
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#119  Postby BlackBart » Dec 03, 2018 4:07 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:When was the universe made? Before or after the earth?


You do know he hasn't been back since the last time you asked that question, right?
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#120  Postby Scot Dutchy » Dec 03, 2018 4:12 pm

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Scot Dutchy wrote:When was the universe made? Before or after the earth?


You do know he hasn't been back since the last time you asked that question, right?


He made not have posted. Just drawing his attention. :smile:
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