Christian hymn of creation

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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#121  Postby BlackBart » Dec 03, 2018 4:16 pm

No, he literally hasn't visited this forum since.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#122  Postby Scot Dutchy » Dec 03, 2018 4:42 pm

BlackBart wrote:No, he literally hasn't visited this forum since.


Ok thanks for the info.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#123  Postby Animavore » Dec 03, 2018 6:07 pm

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/scie ... 1543857055

Nasa spacecraft arrives at asteroid Bennu to discover how life began on Earth


I wonder if they'll find angels? :ask:
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#124  Postby Blackadder » Dec 03, 2018 6:45 pm

Wortfish wrote:
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I think the idea of gods chucking thunderbolts should be interpreted poetically and metaphorically. However, I find it amusing that scientists cannot explain a very regular natural phenomenon with reference to natural causes. Perhaps lightning is a manifestation of divine power as much as it is electrostatic discharge.


You find intellectual honesty amusing? That speaks volumes about your moral compass.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#125  Postby Wortfish » Dec 03, 2018 8:13 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:When was the universe made? Before or after the earth?


Gen 1:1 indicates that the universe was made first.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#126  Postby Fallible » Dec 03, 2018 8:13 pm

:rofl:
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If I hear that fucking phrase again, this baby's gonna blow
Into a million itsy bitsy tiny pieces, don't you know,
Just like my favourite scene in Scanners .
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#127  Postby felltoearth » Dec 03, 2018 9:59 pm

zulumoose wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote: If it took seven days for a poultry earth; how many for the rest of the universe


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And if we are formed of clay from the earth, does that make us all chicken shits?
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#128  Postby Scot Dutchy » Dec 03, 2018 10:05 pm

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

That's it. Nothing else?
So the whole universe was made just like that! (Tommy Cooper) but the earth took 7 days? :lol:
Just brilliant. A tiny rock.
It is on the line that god could not defeat "wagons of iron". FFS Cant you see how stupid that is?
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#129  Postby Alan B » Dec 03, 2018 10:17 pm

Wortfish wrote:Gen 1:1 indicates that the universe was made first.


You are missing the point. The 'Universe' (as we know it) didn't exist in the minds of the people at the time of Genesis. The Earth, consisting of local horizon to horizon (including the Sun and the 'stars that moved in the sky'), was their 'universe'. This ignorance persisted until fairly recently when the telescope was invented

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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#130  Postby Hermit » Dec 04, 2018 4:31 am

Cito di Pense wrote:
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Wortfish wrote:300 years of science has not provided an explanation to replace the ancient belief in the divine generation of thunderbolts.

Or rainbows, for that matter. It's just so much more satisfying, not to mention useful, to imagine that rainbows are not merely a matter of light refracting through raindrops or mist, but that they are God's reminder to his own self not to drown planet earth once more. There's a side benefit too: We can waste our time wondering where all that water came from that was needed for such a deluge, and where it has disappeared to afterwards. It's truly mysterious, for it seems that right now there is only just enough water on the planet to raise water levels by another 80 metres once every crystal of ice has melted. Mount Ararat is 3,611metres high, and the Himalayas more than twice that much.

Oh, you could take every chunk of rock that rests above, say, less than 500 meters below sea level, toss it into the ocean basins, and there would not be a speck of rock less than 500 meters below the surface of a very wide ocean.

You'd have to leave Mount Ararat untouched, though.

And then you'd have to re-establish the previous geography. It doesn't have to be an exact copy, but still, that's a lot of work each way. Will God have enough time in between making billions and billions of rainbows? He keeps having to remind himself to not create another planet-wide flood, as you know.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#131  Postby Scot Dutchy » Dec 04, 2018 5:02 pm

Alan B wrote:
Wortfish wrote:Gen 1:1 indicates that the universe was made first.


You are missing the point. The 'Universe' (as we know it) didn't exist in the minds of the people at the time of Genesis. The Earth, consisting of local horizon to horizon (including the Sun and the 'stars that moved in the sky'), was their 'universe'. This ignorance persisted until fairly recently when the telescope was invented

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Exactly Alan. The universe was not part of their story and yet it is so enormous but the creationists cant handle it. All they argue about are the stupid details.

How did their wondrous deity manage to handle all that creativity? They dont know. Stop arguing about earth lets talk just universe. They have no solutions. They are completely lost. The Sun is a G2 star. Surely the prize of the universe made in his shape would be orbiting around a A star. He did not like us much. A crummy G2 star; a yellow dwarf? FFS we need to be at the top.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#132  Postby Cito di Pense » Dec 04, 2018 5:18 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Alan B wrote:
Wortfish wrote:Gen 1:1 indicates that the universe was made first.


You are missing the point. The 'Universe' (as we know it) didn't exist in the minds of the people at the time of Genesis. The Earth, consisting of local horizon to horizon (including the Sun and the 'stars that moved in the sky'), was their 'universe'. This ignorance persisted until fairly recently when the telescope was invented

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Exactly Alan. The universe was not part of their story and yet it is so enormous but the creationists cant handle it. All they argue about are the stupid details.

How did their wondrous deity manage to handle all that creativity? They dont know. Stop arguing about earth lets talk just universe. They have no solutions. They are completely lost. The Sun is a G2 star. Surely the prize of the universe made in his shape would be orbiting around a A star. He did not like us much. A crummy G2 star; a yellow dwarf? FFS we need to be at the top.


Oh, Scot? What is it that has you implying the A stars are at the top of some hierarchy? You think this business is alphabetical?

I think now we need the FFS spectral class.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#133  Postby Scot Dutchy » Dec 04, 2018 5:25 pm

Well a G2 star is a pretty poor star for a major creation like the earth to buzz around. We should be the centre of the universe. Oh we were... Never mind.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#134  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Dec 04, 2018 6:14 pm

This song sounds terrible.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#135  Postby Scot Dutchy » Dec 04, 2018 6:45 pm

The last thing to be said about it Rach. Bloody awful but that is creationism.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#136  Postby SafeAsMilk » Dec 04, 2018 7:38 pm

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:This song sounds terrible.

You can easily imagine a crowd of glassy eyed halfwits droning along, completely content with being savagely bilked because they've been taught not to question their blindingly stupid beliefs.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#137  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Dec 04, 2018 7:39 pm

I like when they put their hands up in the air, eyes closed, while they praise Him.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#138  Postby felltoearth » Dec 04, 2018 7:44 pm

SafeAsMilk wrote:
Rachel Bronwyn wrote:This song sounds terrible.

You can easily imagine a crowd of glassy eyed halfwits droning along, completely content with being savagely bilked because they've been taught not to question their blindingly stupid beliefs.

Why are we talking about a Coldplay concert all of the sudden?
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#139  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Dec 04, 2018 7:52 pm

For real, I was afraid to vocalise my dislike of Coldplay for years. Now I express it loudly wherever I please. The lady who does my hair told me how happy she was to have finally heard someone say they hate Coldplay because she thought she was the only one. Then a colleague of hers shouted, "I HATE COLDPLAY TOO!" It was such a good day.

And I still love watching people praise Jesus.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#140  Postby The_Piper » Dec 05, 2018 12:00 am

I like Aimee Mann's version of The Scientist. That's the only Coldplay song I know off the top of my head.
Question for Wortfish or other theological scholars (:tehe:) When this supreme being created the universe, was it with tools and raw materials, like a contractor? Did he say magic words and it poofed into existence? What's the process?
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