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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#21  Postby Calilasseia » Nov 22, 2018 2:58 pm

If you need to ask the reason for the appearance of a rainbow, after 300 years of continuous progress in physics, then you need to get out a LOT more ...
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#22  Postby laklak » Nov 22, 2018 3:17 pm

Did the hymn mention tides? How about magnets? How the fuck do they work?
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#23  Postby Alan B » Nov 22, 2018 3:21 pm

God swill.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#24  Postby Hermit » Nov 23, 2018 6:03 am

Blackadder wrote:God let my brother die at the age of 12 leaving our (god fearing) parents heartbroken.

God’s a complete cunt, basically.

No, he's not. Your brother's death was caused by a just God for any number of easily justifiable reasons. For instance, he may have begun to develop stirrings of gayness, a disease that is completely curable, but your brother wilfully resisted the cure. Hence the punishment. As for your god fearing, heartbroken parents, they may have used unseemly words in the past - or worse, blasphemed - without seeking God's redemption for those sins. Hence the punishment. See? God is just, and he never makes a mistake.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#25  Postby Blackadder » Nov 23, 2018 8:10 am

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Blackadder wrote:God let my brother die at the age of 12 leaving our (god fearing) parents heartbroken.

God’s a complete cunt, basically.

No, he's not. Your brother's death was caused by a just God for any number of easily justifiable reasons. For instance, he may have begun to develop stirrings of gayness, a disease that is completely curable, but your brother wilfully resisted the cure. Hence the punishment. As for your god fearing, heartbroken parents, they may have used unseemly words in the past - or worse, blasphemed - without seeking God's redemption for those sins. Hence the punishment. See? God is just, and he never makes a mistake.


Ah, I see now. It was all our fault. Thanks for clearing that up. Sorry about that, God. Please carry on with your rainbow manufacturing.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#26  Postby Hermit » Nov 24, 2018 3:19 am

Blackadder wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Blackadder wrote:God let my brother die at the age of 12 leaving our (god fearing) parents heartbroken.

God’s a complete cunt, basically.

No, he's not. Your brother's death was caused by a just God for any number of easily justifiable reasons. For instance, he may have begun to develop stirrings of gayness, a disease that is completely curable, but your brother wilfully resisted the cure. Hence the punishment. As for your god fearing, heartbroken parents, they may have used unseemly words in the past - or worse, blasphemed - without seeking God's redemption for those sins. Hence the punishment. See? God is just, and he never makes a mistake.

Ah, I see now. It was all our fault. Thanks for clearing that up. Sorry about that, God. Please carry on with your rainbow manufacturing.

Yes. I am ever so glad you've finally understood the interlocked concepts of free will and original sin. As for the rainbow, its creation is explained in the Bible. God created it as a reminder to himself, for in his infinite wisdom he recognised that he needed reminders, to not ever flood the entire earth again.

Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him: “I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you and with every living creature that was with you—the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you—every living creature on earth. I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.”

And God said, “This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come: I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life. Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.”
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#27  Postby LucidFlight » Nov 24, 2018 3:51 am

laklak wrote:Did the hymn mention tides? How about magnets? How the fuck do they work?

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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#28  Postby Blackadder » Nov 24, 2018 6:57 am

Hermit wrote:
Yes. I am ever so glad you've finally understood the interlocked concepts of free will and original sin. As for the rainbow, its creation is explained in the Bible. God created it as a reminder to himself, for in his infinite wisdom he recognised that he needed reminders, to not ever flood the entire earth again.

Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him: “I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you and with every living creature that was with you—the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you—every living creature on earth. I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.”

And God said, “This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come: I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life. Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.”
(Genesis 9:9-16)


It seems a somewhat over-elaborate way of reminding himself about something. Surely a Post-It note on his fridge door would have served the purpose?

And a rainbow? Far be it from me to suggest that God is gay but, you know?

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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#29  Postby SafeAsMilk » Nov 24, 2018 12:13 pm

Haven't had an appropriate opportunity to break this one out, thanks for being a perfect example of it, Wortfish!

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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#30  Postby Fallible » Nov 24, 2018 2:02 pm

:tehe:
Sorry that you think you had it rough in the first world.
You ought to get out a map sooner than later.
Now you've just run into a trap; you have to slow down.
Get out of your head and spend less time alone.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#31  Postby Wortfish » Nov 24, 2018 3:17 pm

Calilasseia wrote:If you need to ask the reason for the appearance of a rainbow, after 300 years of continuous progress in physics, then you need to get out a LOT more ...

You are making the classic error of confusing the agent with the mechanism :naughty:. The reflection/refraction of light through water molecules may be the material cause of how rainbows appear, but the divine agent as efficient cause is the one who sets up the conditions and physical parameters that allow the phenomenon to exist. You might want to ask, "Who made light and who made hydrogen and oxygen atoms"? Ultimately, everything natural has been made by a supernatural creator.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#32  Postby Wortfish » Nov 24, 2018 3:21 pm

Fallible wrote:Wortfish, serious question. Is the gratification you get from trolling really worth the risk of everyone thinking you are a maroon?


We know that many genetic diseases are caused by mistakes in the DNA copying process. God created a good but not perfect/optimal world. God is not to blame if we smoke ourselves silly and get lung cancer.We are the ones to blame.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#33  Postby LucidFlight » Nov 24, 2018 3:23 pm

Now that we've established who made atoms, can we get an update on the why? My understanding is that atoms are needed for rainbows.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#34  Postby laklak » Nov 24, 2018 3:59 pm

He fucked up my DNA and gave me auto-immune issues. Fuck him. Some omnipotent creator, eh? More like incompetent wanker.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#35  Postby Sendraks » Nov 24, 2018 4:50 pm

Wortfish wrote:. God created a good but not perfect/optimal world.


Then god is to blame for creating a not perfect/optimal world.

Wortfish wrote:God is not to blame if we smoke ourselves silly and get lung cancer.We are the ones to blame.


God created the world as not perfect/optimal therefore as the creator of this world, everything is indeed god's fault. If he'd created it perfect/optimal, then this stuff wouldn't happen.

Also there are many forms of cancer and they can occur without a person smoking. Therefore, still god's fault.

Or at least it would be god' fault, if god were shown to exist. A feat yet to be achieved by any number of fuckwitted theists.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#36  Postby SafeAsMilk » Nov 24, 2018 8:15 pm

Wortfish wrote:
Calilasseia wrote:If you need to ask the reason for the appearance of a rainbow, after 300 years of continuous progress in physics, then you need to get out a LOT more ...

You are making the classic error of confusing the agent with the mechanism :naughty:.

There's a pretty stark difference between them: we've got evidence out the nose for the mechanism, but not a shred for your alleged agent. I'm pretty sure Cali is aware of that, are you?

The reflection/refraction of light through water molecules may be the material cause of how rainbows appear, but the divine agent as efficient cause is the one who sets up the conditions and physical parameters that allow the phenomenon to exist.

There is nothing efficient about multiplying unnecessary entities.

You might want to ask, "Who made light and who made hydrogen and oxygen atoms"? Ultimately, everything natural has been made by a supernatural creator.

I wouldn't want to ask that, because the question makes the unfounded assumption that there is a who. I'd rather just wait for you to present evidence for your claim, watch you fail, then point and laugh.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#37  Postby Animavore » Nov 24, 2018 8:43 pm

Wortfish wrote:
Fallible wrote:Wortfish, serious question. Is the gratification you get from trolling really worth the risk of everyone thinking you are a maroon?


We know that many genetic diseases are caused by mistakes in the DNA copying process. God created a good but not perfect/optimal world. God is not to blame if we smoke ourselves silly and get lung cancer.We are the ones to blame.


And what of children who get leukaemia?
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#38  Postby Blackadder » Nov 24, 2018 9:07 pm

Animavore wrote:
Wortfish wrote:
Fallible wrote:Wortfish, serious question. Is the gratification you get from trolling really worth the risk of everyone thinking you are a maroon?


We know that many genetic diseases are caused by mistakes in the DNA copying process. God created a good but not perfect/optimal world. God is not to blame if we smoke ourselves silly and get lung cancer.We are the ones to blame.


And what of children who get leukaemia?


Or kidney disease, which killed my brother? The OP and his imaginary loving god can both go and fuck themselves with a rusty crucifix.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#39  Postby laklak » Nov 24, 2018 9:13 pm

"So choose somebody else already" - pretty much every Jew ever.
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Re: Christian hymn of creation

#40  Postby Wortfish » Nov 24, 2018 11:19 pm

Animavore wrote:
Wortfish wrote:
Fallible wrote:Wortfish, serious question. Is the gratification you get from trolling really worth the risk of everyone thinking you are a maroon?


We know that many genetic diseases are caused by mistakes in the DNA copying process. God created a good but not perfect/optimal world. God is not to blame if we smoke ourselves silly and get lung cancer.We are the ones to blame.


And what of children who get leukaemia?

Their parents....and natural selection.
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