Demographic time bomb ticking away
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Calilasseia wrote:Fucking hell, Byron, why don't you have your own opinion column in The Guardian? Only this is the sort of post that deserves a much wider audience.
Byron wrote:The church jumped on the homophobia bandwaggon in the 1980s. Far from boldly standing against culture, as the evangelicals claim, Christian homophobia sprung from society's prejudices. Society has, thankfully, moved past it, but the church is frozen in time. Story of its life.
Also it was a way to meet girls.
Alan B wrote:Also it was a way to meet girls.
I'll go along with that. I always found the girls in church were, er, more interesting, er, sort of demure and full of promise.
Well, that's what my hormones told me...
Agrippina wrote:I think the idea of going to church as a social activity is truer than a lot of people think. Generally, apart from people who want to be in the church hierarchy, I've never met any CofE (or Anglican) member here who proselytises the way the fundie church members do.
Calilasseia wrote:Fucking hell, Byron, why don't you have your own opinion column in The Guardian? Only this is the sort of post that deserves a much wider audience.
quisquose wrote:[...] It always amuses me to hear them argue against gay marriage with the claim "of course we fully support their rights to civil partnerships but ..."
Those of us old enough, with good memories, will recall that throughout the 80s and 90s they were very much against civil partnerships, just as they are against gay marriage now. Society moves ahead, the Church remains one step behind and conveniently tries to erase their own insignificance from memory.
Meanwhile, drip, drip, drip, their membership dwindles.
Alan B wrote:Also it was a way to meet girls.
I'll go along with that. I always found the girls in church were, er, more interesting, er, sort of demure and full of promise.
Well, that's what my hormones told me...
Byron wrote:Absolutely, and in doing so, they were in lockstep with social norms. The SCOTUS upholding sodomy laws, the Thatcher government passing Section 28, Bill Clinton putting his signature to DOMA, Britain's parliament (first Commons, then Lords) refusing to equalize the age of consent for gay men.
Panderos wrote:And of course at every stage the slippery slope has been employed as at least part of the argument; with gay marriage it's been those that believe it's an inevitable march towards, I don't know, inter-species marriage and polygamy. But if that's so, then the slippery slope started way back with the not-burning of homosexuals, so guess we shouldn't have done that..
Byron wrote:Homophobia was ... rooted in the concerns of desert-dwelling tribes: group-markers, patriarchy, inheritance, extended family, and so on.
Analysis -
Last Rites for the Church of England?
Andrew Brown asks if the Church of England has become fatally disconnected from society.
quisquose wrote: ... I thought Andrew Brown's thoughts were all over the place ...
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