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Zadocfish2 wrote:Eh... still, it's hard to deny these coincidences being connected somehow.
Like, it would be easier for me if I WASN'T a Christian, to the extant that a lot of this is me trying to find reasons to disbelieve that these things have significance.
But what happens is, whenever I'm feeling the most conflicted, I'll try the random verse thing and, three tries in, I'll find the same verse I quoted to myself a bit earlier, or find that a verse of the day is the same as one of the randoms I looked at. Like, think about how crazy unlikely it is for those things to happen on the same day, in the same, like, four hours.
These vod things have a limited selection of verses, but the selection is easily well into the hundreds. This "verses lining up" thing has happened multiple times, often in the same day. Things that statistically improbable just cannot happen that reliably without a reason. I think it's more absurd to think of it as mere coincidence, don't you?
I am not seeing a remarkable coincidence in a pamphlet displayed in a church referencing the same topic source which the pastor is preaching that week.Zadocfish2 wrote:The latter half of this week, 2 independent, unrelated sources I pay attention to drew attention to one chapter that is particularly relevant to my current questions regarding how to live Christian (Romans 12). As I was sitting in church, I thought about a certain parable (the sower and the thorns), and I looked 2 feet to my left at a pamphlet and the table and the sermon was about that exact part of that exact parable... and the pastor heavily referenced the chapter I mentioned above, making 3 unrelated references to it I ended up being pointed two in a matter of 3 days.
Zadocfish2 wrote:Another one: verse of the day was about how the worldly cannot understand the spiritual. Went to my random-verse-generator, prayed to have the third result be the same general message. Third result was John 3:3; "Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.(or, "born from above"; the wording in Greek is ambiguous)" This met the criteria in question.
I partially shrug it off as coincidence... verse of the day today was John 3:20. Not related by subject, but somehow it landed on the same chapter that contained the passage from last night.
Like I said, these "coincidences" really are a bit too consistent to fit the label...
Cito di Pense wrote:Zadocfish2 wrote:Another one: verse of the day was about how the worldly cannot understand the spiritual. Went to my random-verse-generator, prayed to have the third result be the same general message. Third result was John 3:3; "Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.(or, "born from above"; the wording in Greek is ambiguous)" This met the criteria in question.
I partially shrug it off as coincidence... verse of the day today was John 3:20. Not related by subject, but somehow it landed on the same chapter that contained the passage from last night.
Like I said, these "coincidences" really are a bit too consistent to fit the label...
No, really, Justin. A Ouija board or the I Ching does just as well. You should try them out before you commit to some particular idiocy. What? Not enough time to check out every random bit of quackery? Such is life.
All I'm saying is that, just because one thing works, it doesn't mean something else does not work equally well. It all depends on your criteria for what "works well". Don't try model rocketry if you don't understand how we decide what works well.
All I'm saying is that, just because one thing works
one thing works
Zadocfish2 wrote:So you're saying it works now? Victory at last!
Okay. Why the third result?Zadocfish2 wrote:Another one: verse of the day was about how the worldly cannot understand the spiritual. Went to my random-verse-generator, prayed to have the third result be the same general message.
Cito di Pense wrote:Zadocfish2 wrote:So you're saying it works now? Victory at last!
Of course it works. For you. Blub blub blub. For a more nuanced view, see rocket science.
I don't claim to have shown you something that works better. But I defy you to show me that the I Ching or Ouija board does not work just as well. You now are charged with debunking the I Ching and the Ouija board. Or not, but that means you have nothing to sell me and you might want to shut the fuck up about biblical coincidences.
Okay. Why the third result?
Zadocfish2 wrote:Cito di Pense wrote:Zadocfish2 wrote:So you're saying it works now? Victory at last!
Of course it works. For you. Blub blub blub. For a more nuanced view, see rocket science.
I don't claim to have shown you something that works better. But I defy you to show me that the I Ching or Ouija board does not work just as well. You now are charged with debunking the I Ching and the Ouija board. Or not, but that means you have nothing to sell me and you might want to shut the fuck up about biblical coincidences.
You realize, of course, that accepting that one event might be supernatural is inherently tied to the idea that supernatural events might be possible. Kind of an odd point you're making; I never said that other methods don't have results, because that would go against my point of the supernatural existing in the first place. You're making a strawman argument.
Three is a significant number in Wiccan circles.Zadocfish2 wrote:Three is a significant number in Biblical circles.
Zadocfish2 wrote:just pointing out how oddly consistent this sort of thing can be, when it clearly shouldn't be.
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