Coincidences: Spiritual Experiences?

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Re: Coincidences: Spiritual Experiences?

#61  Postby fluttermoth » Sep 29, 2017 1:27 pm

Greyman wrote:
Zadocfish2 wrote:The latter half of this week, 2 independent, unrelated sources I pay attention to drew attention to one chapter that is particularly relevant to my current questions regarding how to live Christian (Romans 12). As I was sitting in church, I thought about a certain parable (the sower and the thorns), and I looked 2 feet to my left at a pamphlet and the table and the sermon was about that exact part of that exact parable... and the pastor heavily referenced the chapter I mentioned above, making 3 unrelated references to it I ended up being pointed two in a matter of 3 days.
I am not seeing a remarkable coincidence in a pamphlet displayed in a church referencing the same topic source which the pastor is preaching that week.

Your "unrelated" sources don't seem very independent. Consider the possibility that your pastor pays attention to the same sources of inspiration you might while determining what to say and what to display.


That was exactly my thought too!

All religions spend massive amounts of time and effort keeping people in the faith, and the faithful have always wavered and worried about losing their faith.

Add that to the fact that people don't choose "And if you have a red spot with a white edge, you shall spend three days in the temple" or "Jehosephat begat Begorra" (or whatever) as Quotes of the Day, or to write pamphlets about, the things you're seeing are absolutely not independent or truly random; you're drawing from a doctored pack from the outset.
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Re: Coincidences: Spiritual Experiences?

#62  Postby Dark energy » Sep 29, 2017 6:25 pm

I congratulate you on finding god again.but how do you know its the correct God? Buddhism,islam,christianity all claim the same about GOD,which one is right?
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Re: Coincidences: Spiritual Experiences?

#63  Postby Fallible » Sep 29, 2017 6:44 pm

:lol:

Hello, dear.
John Grant wrote:They say 'let go, let go, let go, you must learn to let go'.
If I hear that fucking phrase again, this baby's gonna blow
Into a million itsy bitsy tiny pieces, don't you know,
Just like my favourite scene in Scanners .
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Re: Coincidences: Spiritual Experiences?

#64  Postby Dark energy » Sep 29, 2017 6:51 pm

yes dear.
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Re: Coincidences: Spiritual Experiences?

#65  Postby Fallible » Sep 29, 2017 6:54 pm

Yes what?
John Grant wrote:They say 'let go, let go, let go, you must learn to let go'.
If I hear that fucking phrase again, this baby's gonna blow
Into a million itsy bitsy tiny pieces, don't you know,
Just like my favourite scene in Scanners .
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Re: Coincidences: Spiritual Experiences?

#66  Postby Dark energy » Sep 29, 2017 7:02 pm

i am off to sleep.
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Re: Coincidences: Spiritual Experiences?

#67  Postby BlackBart » Sep 30, 2017 11:39 am

Wait. What? Bhuddists believe in god now?
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Re: Coincidences: Spiritual Experiences?

#68  Postby SpeedOfSound » Sep 30, 2017 12:19 pm

Zadocfish2 wrote:Hi! I've been gone a while, because I re-converted to Christianity.

Let me explain how it happened: Going back and forth, I finally ended up praying, "It's so contradictory; what parts of the Bible should I believe, Lord?" On a weird hunch, I looked up a Verse of the Day site. It said, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." 3 Timothy 16-17

The words themselves, I had some issues with (clearly Leviticus isn't meant to extend to modern Christians, and the epistle writers didn't consider their own work "scripture," seeing as they were just letters at the time, and a few other things). But, it just so happened that I got a response that was a word-for-word, properly-phrased answer to the question I had asked in prayer, on that exact day, at that exact time (after the daily verse switch at 9 pm).

How, exactly, does one explain that sort of thing as coincidence? The odds are just too astronomical. Not the last time that happened, either, there are times when I would get passages from the same book from 2 different random verse generators and a verse of the day all in the same night, or I would be leafing through Bible passages and read one at random, and find the verse of the day was from one chapter previous, etc...

Honestly, I still struggle, because the basic problems that made me leave the faith last time haven't quite gone away... But each time something like that happens, the odds are so absurdly impossible that I can't help but think of it as a message. On the other hand, I also note that the same thing probably happens to Muslims and any other religion with an established scripture, and that this kind of thing is what bolsters their faith, too (maybe? If this only happens to Christians, you have to admit that's pretty strange).

So, once again I'm stuck. What do you guys think of such weirdly specific coincidences in a believer's life? Don't you think it's strange at all?


The whole purpose of prayer is to till the earth in such a way, that a billion random seeds may sprout one good seedling, and be noticed, then cultivated. Astronomical odds pare down quickly when you are in a state of noticing.

Never ceases to amaze me how crap our minds are at dealing with complexity and probability.

Why not just accept the fruits and let go of the stage where you adopt nonsense belief?
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Re: Coincidences: Spiritual Experiences?

#69  Postby felltoearth » Oct 03, 2017 12:57 am

The next book for my book club is Three Body Problem by Liu Cixin.

I open up Ratskep today to see an old thread resurrected and amazingly – AMAZINGLY – find this quote of the book post by VazScep (incredible similarity to "Ratskep" don't you think?)

VazScep wrote:

Anyway, here's a very opinionated paragraph from the last novel I read, which I totally agree with:

I've always felt that the greatest and most beautiful stories in the history of humanity were not sung by wandering bards or written by playwrights and novelists, but told by science. The stories of science are far more magnificent, grand, involved, profound, thrilling, strange, terrifying, mysterious, and even emotional, compared to the stories told by literature. [...] The creation myths of the various peoples and religions of the world pale when compared to the glory of the big bang. The three-billion-year history of life's evolution from self-reproducing molecules to civilization contains twists and romances that cannot be matched by any myth or epic.


I'm taking it as a sign to dedicate my life to science.
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