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Zadocfish2 wrote:
Cherry-picking or no, it's a frankly erroneous to look at the Bible without understanding context.
Cito di Pense wrote:Zadocfish2 wrote:
Cherry-picking or no, it's a frankly erroneous to look at the Bible without understanding context.
In any event, Justin, it's pointless to treat the bible as an inspiration of faith without desiring faith at least a little bit. So, the context you're talking about is that of desiring faith. That said, you can look at the bible in a host of other ways, including as a bunch of myths written by ignorant goat roasters who lacked even a scientific theory of disease-causing microbes, which is what they are empirically. The stories you hear about people who read the bible with an "open mind", and were converted, are anecdotes about people whose unstable mental states have not been ruled out. The rationales you hear about the wisdom of the ancients and primitives are just that - rationalizations. Those people would look at you on your motorcycle and think you were God.
John Platko wrote:Cito di Pense wrote:Zadocfish2 wrote:
Cherry-picking or no, it's a frankly erroneous to look at the Bible without understanding context.
In any event, Justin, it's pointless to treat the bible as an inspiration of faith without desiring faith at least a little bit. So, the context you're talking about is that of desiring faith. That said, you can look at the bible in a host of other ways, including as a bunch of myths written by ignorant goat roasters who lacked even a scientific theory of disease-causing microbes, which is what they are empirically. The stories you hear about people who read the bible with an "open mind", and were converted, are anecdotes about people whose unstable mental states have not been ruled out. The rationales you hear about the wisdom of the ancients and primitives are just that - rationalizations. Those people would look at you on your motorcycle and think you were God.
Why would anyone of stable mental state seek to rule in stable mental states for writers of a book where virgin births and the like are afoot? The Bible is for those who appreciate the fruits they can pick from a particular sort of unstable mental state.
Cito di Pense wrote:John Platko wrote:Cito di Pense wrote:Zadocfish2 wrote:
Cherry-picking or no, it's a frankly erroneous to look at the Bible without understanding context.
In any event, Justin, it's pointless to treat the bible as an inspiration of faith without desiring faith at least a little bit. So, the context you're talking about is that of desiring faith. That said, you can look at the bible in a host of other ways, including as a bunch of myths written by ignorant goat roasters who lacked even a scientific theory of disease-causing microbes, which is what they are empirically. The stories you hear about people who read the bible with an "open mind", and were converted, are anecdotes about people whose unstable mental states have not been ruled out. The rationales you hear about the wisdom of the ancients and primitives are just that - rationalizations. Those people would look at you on your motorcycle and think you were God.
Why would anyone of stable mental state seek to rule in stable mental states for writers of a book where virgin births and the like are afoot? The Bible is for those who appreciate the fruits they can pick from a particular sort of unstable mental state.
I'm not talking about the writers, here, as regards 'unstable'. All we know about them is that they were ignorant goat roasters. I'm talking about modern folks who understand the microbe theory of disease.
The goat roasters were stably ignorant as they concocted their myths.
Sometimes the result is like Justin's, flip-flopping between faith and unfaith.
I'm not saying unfaith is for everyone any more than you're saying faith is for everyone.
Sometimes the faith result is like the one you get, where there isn't any particular source of inspiration of faith, and you just look wide-eyed at anything that might be pressed into service, wedged into position, because there's no limit to the amount of stuff some people need to sustain their unstable faith. You've never made any pretense of the sufficiency of the bible, only declared its usefulness.
Zadocfish2 wrote:Cherry-picking or no, it's a frankly erroneous to look at the Bible without understanding context.
Proverbs 26:4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him.
Proverbs 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.
Fenrir wrote:Proverbs 26:4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him.
Proverbs 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.
I think we can all learn something fron that. Don't you?
pelfdaddy wrote:One night I dreamt I was walking through an airport. A friend of mine dreamt that same night that he saw me walking through the airport. The next day he said to me, "I had a dream last night... And you were in it."
I flippantly asked, "Was I at the airport?"
The look on his face is still fresh in my mind.
Spiritual significance? Zilch.
pelfdaddy wrote:Thanks John, when I used the term "spiritual significance", it was intended as shorthand for " evidence for the existence of supernatural beings ". I should have been more specific.
Zadocfish2 wrote:Eh... still, it's hard to deny these coincidences being connected somehow. Like, it would be easier for me if I WASN'T a Christian, to the extant that a lot of this is me trying to find reasons to disbelieve that these things have significance.
But what happens is, whenever I'm feeling the most conflicted, I'll try the random verse thing and, three tries in, I'll find the same verse I quoted to myself a bit earlier, or find that a verse of the day is the same as one of the randoms I looked at. Like, think about how crazy unlikely it is for those things to happen on the same day, in the same, like, four hours. These vod things have a limited selection of verses, but the selection is easily well into the hundreds. This "verses lining up" thing has happened multiple times, often in the same day. Things that statistically improbable just cannot happen that reliably without a reason. I think it's more absurd to think of it as mere coincidence, don't you?
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