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#1  Postby solazy » May 13, 2017 1:35 pm

Pope today making saints of the 3 children of Fatima who had a vision of the Virgin Mary.
It is based on the miraculous recovery of a Brazilian boy who fell and damaged the frontal lobe of his brain.
After prayers were directed at the Fatima 3 by his parents and nuns he was able to quickly fully recover.
His parents are reported to have avoided any questions.

Do we have a rational explanation for this or could it indeed be some form of miracle?
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#2  Postby chairman bill » May 13, 2017 1:50 pm

Of course it's not a fucking miracle. What damage did he do to his frontal cortex? How do we know the extent of this? The brain operates on distributed systems, and often it's the case that minor damage can be by-passed, with the brain connecting alternative routes around the damaged area. That's biology, not supernaturalist bollocks.
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#3  Postby Fallible » May 13, 2017 1:53 pm

Oh yeah, i's totally a miracle.




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#4  Postby solazy » May 13, 2017 1:58 pm

https://www.voanews.com/a/brazilian-boy ... 48137.html

So the doctors were wrong and he just had a minor injury.
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#5  Postby Fallible » May 13, 2017 2:03 pm

Yeah, I'm sure it's much more believable that the Virgin Mary cured the child after some people prayed towards Fatima than it is that doctors made a mistake. Wha are you thinking, Bill??
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#6  Postby newolder » May 13, 2017 2:04 pm

solazy's source, image caption:
Batista and Yuri are the parents of a boy ...

Does not look like the claim in your first post that the boy's parents avoided questions. So, we have nothing other than a dodgy story, so far.
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#7  Postby solazy » May 13, 2017 2:12 pm

Actually the Pope is making saints of the 2 children who died in the influenza epidemic of 1918, but not the third one who became a nun and died in 2005.
Jacinta was exhumed in 1951 and her face showed no sign of decomposition, but her brother's did.
Another miracle to go with all the others.
Remember that a large crowd also witnessed the sun falling from the sky.
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#8  Postby chairman bill » May 13, 2017 2:13 pm

Fallible wrote:Yeah, I'm sure it's much more believable that the Virgin Mary cured the child after some people prayed towards Fatima than it is that doctors made a mistake. Wha are you thinking, Bill??


I'm thinking that unless you have easy access to a fMRI scan, a CT scan, PET scan, or MEG, evaluating damage can be a bit hit and miss.
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#9  Postby chairman bill » May 13, 2017 2:17 pm

solazy wrote:Actually the Pope is making saints of the 2 children who died in the influenza epidemic of 1918, but not the third one.
Jacinta was exhumed in 1951 and her face showed no sign of decomposition, but her brother's did.
Another miracle to go with all the others.
Remember that a large crowd also witnessed the sun falling from the sky.


No sign of decomposition? Not unheard of - natural mummification is quite well-documented. Individual differences between her burial conditions & those of her brother, would account for variations in terms of decomp.

As for the crowd, well they didn't witness the sun falling from the sky, they claim to have done so. Mass hysteria isn't a miracle.
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#10  Postby solazy » May 13, 2017 2:20 pm

31 years after she died her face showed no sign of decomposition?
Were the worms on strike?
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#11  Postby Animavore » May 13, 2017 2:23 pm

Let me explain it to you in song.

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#12  Postby newolder » May 13, 2017 2:23 pm

solazy wrote:Actually the Pope is making saints of the 2 children who died in the influenza epidemic of 1918, but not the third one who became a nun and died in 2005.

A quick search brings a result that may shock you. Very many more than 2 children died in the 'flu pandemic of 1918-19:
The influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 killed more people than the Great War, known today as World War I (WWI), at somewhere between 20 and 40 million ...

Jacinta was exhumed in 1951 and her face showed no sign of decomposition, but her brother's did.
Another miracle to go with all the others.
Remember that a large crowd also witnessed the sun falling from the sky.

What are you burbling about now? Perhaps you are having a stroke? :dunno:
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#13  Postby solazy » May 13, 2017 2:27 pm

I'm just looking up at the sun now, and it's doing a little dance!
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#14  Postby chairman bill » May 13, 2017 2:30 pm

Class A fuckwittery.
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#15  Postby Fallible » May 13, 2017 2:31 pm

Bored today, solazy?
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#16  Postby Fallible » May 13, 2017 2:33 pm

solazy wrote:31 years after she died her face showed no sign of decomposition?
Were the worms on strike?


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#17  Postby newolder » May 13, 2017 2:35 pm

solazy wrote:I'm just looking up at the sun now, and it's doing a little dance!

Here's an image of the Sun from today's spaceweather.com:
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The Sun is currently blank: it has a sunspot count of 0 for the 3rd day in a row and the 33rd day this year.
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#18  Postby solazy » May 13, 2017 2:42 pm

I am bored and lazy today.
No football.
Don't believe in miracles but can't actually see the harm in believing in them in this dull old world. The doctors do sometimes get it wrong and they can't always explain spontaneous remission.
I would need to know how many prayers have been said to the Fatima children which did not result in a miracle cure.
While there is no real evidence that prayer works it could be a form of mindfulness which helps the brain and body.
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#19  Postby newolder » May 13, 2017 2:50 pm

Intercessory prayer definitely does not work.
The Study of the Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer (STEP) found two major results:
1) “Intercessory prayer had no effect on recovery from surgery without complications.”
2) “Patients who knew they were receiving intercessory prayer fared worse.”

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#20  Postby John Platko » May 13, 2017 4:10 pm

newolder wrote:Intercessory prayer definitely does not work.
The Study of the Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer (STEP) found two major results:
1) “Intercessory prayer had no effect on recovery from surgery without complications.”
2) “Patients who knew they were receiving intercessory prayer fared worse.”

read on


That study has been debunked on the forum long ago. There are many control issues with intercessory prayer studies.

On another note, the Holy Spirit tells me - or perhaps is was just an angel, that there will be an uptick in pilgrimages to the Shrine of Fatima. :roll:
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