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Re: Fracas at Ballynahinch church service

#21  Postby Scarlett » Sep 05, 2013 11:02 am

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I understand what you're saying Archibald. I'm sure you can appreciate too that the sights are a culture shock for a first timer :lol:


Oh yes, totally understandable.

I do think it's also true that first time visitors do tend to make a bee line for the more, er, infamous areas. And of course, the locals are all up for it, setting up bus tours and suff. It is a tad glamourised and overblown. I'm pretty sure a lot of the murals are recent and specifically meant for tourists. :)

That said, we do have our issues here, and they still bubble under and sometimes up, and there are far too many arseholes.


Of course I wanted to see the places I'd grown up seeing on the news :lol:

My sisters' partner does a great "Terror Tour" I hear ;)

Evolving wrote:Are you a supporter of female rangers, Scarlett?


Oooh, any kind of rangers really Fall :coffee:
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Re: Fracas at Ballynahinch church service

#22  Postby archibald » Sep 05, 2013 11:06 am

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Of course I wanted to see the places I'd grown up seeing on the news


Last year, my family had a Spanish student staying, as part of an exchange thing. I took her on one of those tours, because actually, I myself had not seen some of the places either. This may sound odd, but even though I lived here during almost all the troubles, I too never saw anything by way of terrorist violence except on the tv news. Lol.

We used to have to be searched going into the city centre (similar to basic airport security nowadays), and one might hear an explosion in the distance occasionally, or come across a police cordon tape and have to reroute, but that's about it.

Having said that, I was fortunate not to be affected.
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Re: Fracas at Ballynahinch church service

#23  Postby Briton » Sep 05, 2013 11:08 am

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Scarlett wrote:Bearette?

It's not until you see it with your own eyes that it hits you I think.


A female Rangers supporter.

Get the point about seeing it first hand.


I'm obviously not a true bearette then as I've never heard the term :lol:


You know Rangers fans sometimes refer to themselves as Bears? (Derived from one of the team's nicknames; The Teddybears).
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Re: Fracas at Ballynahinch church service

#24  Postby Evolving » Sep 05, 2013 11:08 am

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Evolving wrote:Are you a supporter of female rangers, Scarlett?


Oooh, any kind of rangers really Fall :coffee:


Apparently I'm Fallible's sock.

Hope her feet are clean.
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Re: Fracas at Ballynahinch church service

#25  Postby Evolving » Sep 05, 2013 11:10 am

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Re: Fracas at Ballynahinch church service

#26  Postby Briton » Sep 05, 2013 11:13 am

Evolving wrote:Are you a supporter of female rangers, Scarlett?


Well the Rangers Women's team are playing in a higher league at the moment. ;)
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Re: Fracas at Ballynahinch church service

#27  Postby Briton » Sep 05, 2013 11:16 am

Does anyone know why the minister was sacked in the first place?
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Re: Fracas at Ballynahinch church service

#28  Postby Evolving » Sep 05, 2013 11:19 am

What, are we supposed to be posting on topic now?

According to the info provided by Scarlett on the first page it was his "attempt to introduce more traditional and strict Calvinist teachings".
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Re: Fracas at Ballynahinch church service

#29  Postby archibald » Sep 05, 2013 11:24 am

Briton wrote:Does anyone know why the minister was sacked in the first place?


Not entirely sure, but as I understand it, it's been a power struggle. They're evangelical 'Congregationalists'. Not sure exactly what that is, but it's one of the newby sects, I think.

Minister has about 25% support, I think.

He was sacked by what was, before his 'coup', the church elders.
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#30  Postby archibald » Sep 05, 2013 11:25 am

Evolving wrote:What, are we supposed to be posting on topic now?

According to the info provided by Scarlett on the first page it was his "attempt to introduce more traditional and strict Calvinist teachings".


I think there is a thing in some Calvinist sects about 'chosen' people, so I'm guessing that this guy thinks he and his cronies are chosen by god and that the congregation are just second class farties.
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#31  Postby Briton » Sep 05, 2013 12:42 pm

Evolving wrote:What, are we supposed to be posting on topic now?

According to the info provided by Scarlett on the first page it was his "attempt to introduce more traditional and strict Calvinist teachings".


Oooh...snidey. Actually my initial comment regarding my surprise at a Rangers fan being surprised by what she saw was not way off topic in relation to what Scarlet posted. Rangers/the west of Scotland have been embroiled in the situation in, what many Bears refer to as 'Norn'. If I were to go to Belfast, I'd have been expecting pretty much what she described. I take it she's not a regular at Old Firm games either if she's never seen so many Union Flags in her life. :)
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Re: Fracas at Ballynahinch church service

#32  Postby Briton » Sep 05, 2013 12:45 pm

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Briton wrote:Does anyone know why the minister was sacked in the first place?


Not entirely sure, but as I understand it, it's been a power struggle. They're evangelical 'Congregationalists'. Not sure exactly what that is, but it's one of the newby sects, I think.

Minister has about 25% support, I think.

He was sacked by what was, before his 'coup', the church elders.


Thanks. I just thought it odd, given that the majority seem to oppose him, that the minister who had been sacked refuses to leave. Those that support him are presumably the powers that be.
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Re: Fracas at Ballynahinch church service

#33  Postby archibald » Sep 05, 2013 12:55 pm

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Thanks. I just thought it odd, given that the majority seem to oppose him, that the minister who had been sacked refuses to leave....


Nothing more than self-declared powers that be, it seems. I don't think the minister can hold on. Check the face on the guy in the front row of the photo in the OP, and of the three guys behind him. No, I predict the birth of a new, very small sect at some point. 'Ballynahinch Free Congregationalist Calvinists' or something like that.

If stubbornness and intransigence were ever declared olympic sports, my country would get a few guaranteed medals.

He's arguably, in this sense at least, the personification of the whole Protestant community, or at least the diehard Unionist part of it.

Google 'siege mentality'. NI prods and Israeli Jews should come up. We both have many subscribers. :)
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#34  Postby Evolving » Sep 05, 2013 1:15 pm

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Oooh...snidey.


Wasn't at all intended to be snide. Sorry you got that impression!
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Re: Fracas at Ballynahinch church service

#35  Postby Fallible » Sep 05, 2013 1:24 pm

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Oooh, any kind of rangers really Fall :coffee:


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#36  Postby Fallible » Sep 05, 2013 1:25 pm

Evolving wrote:Can I change my user name to Fallible's sock?


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Re: Fracas at Ballynahinch church service

#37  Postby Briton » Sep 05, 2013 1:37 pm

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Nothing more than self-declared powers that be, it seems. I don't think the minister can hold on. Check the face on the guy in the front row of the photo in the OP, and of the three guys behind him. No, I predict the birth of a new, very small sect at some point. 'Ballynahinch Free Congregationalist Calvinists' or something like that.


Followed by hundreds of years of enmity between the two sects no doubt with nobody being able to remember what the schism was all about. Those wacky, neighbour loving, Christians. :roll:
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Re: Fracas at Ballynahinch church service

#38  Postby Onyx8 » Sep 05, 2013 3:33 pm

Move along, move along. 30,001 sects.
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Walk out and head-butting at Ballynahinch church

#39  Postby DougC » Sep 09, 2013 1:39 am

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At least 60 members of a County Down church have walked out of a Sunday service in protest, as a bitter row over its minister continues.
The dispute over the position of the Reverend George Speers has split Ballynahinch Congregational Church.
Sunday's protest followed on from angry scenes inside the church last weekend, when police were called to the scene.
Officers attended after reports that one member of the congregation was head-butted as a result of the dispute.
Seven days after those angry exchanges, police were again in attendance for Sunday service.
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Re: Walk out and head-butting at Ballynahinch church

#40  Postby amok » Sep 10, 2013 1:29 pm

The story doesn't say what they're actually fighting about and I can't find any other links. I'm curious.
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