Ingersoll on the Scottish Church

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Ingersoll on the Scottish Church

#1  Postby Zwaarddijk » Mar 15, 2019 6:40 pm

In Robert Ingersoll's text on the superstition of the Sabbath, he goes on to say as follows:
The Scotch went so far as to take the ground that it was wrong
to save people who were drowning on Sunday, the drowning being a
punishment inflicted by God. Upon the question of keeping the
Sabbath most of the Scottish people became insane.

I wonder if anyone happens to know of a source for his claim here. On my part, if it were true, certain arguments of mine would actually gain power and credibility from Ingersoll's claim being true, but I am not going to be seduced by wishful thinking into assuming he was right on this.

The full article of his can be found here: https://infidels.org/library/historical ... ition.html
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Re: Ingersoll on the Scottish Church

#2  Postby romansh » Mar 15, 2019 9:42 pm

I would try page 369
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Re: Ingersoll on the Scottish Church

#3  Postby Cito di Pense » Mar 16, 2019 5:28 am

Zwaarddijk wrote:On my part, if it were true, certain arguments of mine would actually gain power and credibility from Ingersoll's claim being true, but I am not going to be seduced by wishful thinking into assuming he was right on this.


What would it mean for his (Ingersoll's) claim to be true? Ingersoll mass-produced a certain variety of rant that appeals to persons of an anti-religious mindset. Both religious and anti-religious attempts to interpret scriptures sink by running onto the same rock.

What I mean is, someone who would refuse to save a drowning person on Sunday has personal reasons for the refusal, and anyone accepting a justification on the basis of scripture has similar personal reasons. Quoting scripture is only an excuse. If you could show that scripture produces excuses for pushing people into the river (you can), it makes a more serious charge. It's still an excuse, and you're stuck with that. We don't let people off the hook for pushing people into the river; scripture again just gives excuses for not letting them off the hook.
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Re: Ingersoll on the Scottish Church

#4  Postby Scot Dutchy » Mar 16, 2019 3:22 pm

He fails at the first word.

Scotch is the drink. Scots are the people.
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Re: Ingersoll on the Scottish Church

#5  Postby Zwaarddijk » Mar 16, 2019 10:02 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:He fails at the first word.

Scotch is the drink. Scots are the people.

At the time Ingersoll lived, this distinction had not been established, and thus his usage was not wrong at the time he lived. Correcting it now would not be considered a correct practice. LEARN SOME FUCKING HISTORICAL LINGUISTICS.

I see you have gotten no more clever since last I saw you hereabouts.
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Re: Ingersoll on the Scottish Church

#6  Postby Zwaarddijk » Mar 16, 2019 10:06 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
Zwaarddijk wrote:On my part, if it were true, certain arguments of mine would actually gain power and credibility from Ingersoll's claim being true, but I am not going to be seduced by wishful thinking into assuming he was right on this.


What would it mean for his (Ingersoll's) claim to be true? Ingersoll mass-produced a certain variety of rant that appeals to persons of an anti-religious mindset. Both religious and anti-religious attempts to interpret scriptures sink by running onto the same rock.

What I mean is, someone who would refuse to save a drowning person on Sunday has personal reasons for the refusal, and anyone accepting a justification on the basis of scripture has similar personal reasons. Quoting scripture is only an excuse. If you could show that scripture produces excuses for pushing people into the river (you can), it makes a more serious charge. It's still an excuse, and you're stuck with that. We don't let people off the hook for pushing people into the river; scripture again just gives excuses for not letting them off the hook.

Since you have no idea why I want to know whether his claim is accurate or not, there's no use to your weird diatribe. Bugger off.
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Re: Ingersoll on the Scottish Church

#7  Postby Fallible » Mar 17, 2019 7:39 pm

:tehe:
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Re: Ingersoll on the Scottish Church

#8  Postby Zwaarddijk » Mar 19, 2019 9:20 pm

romansh wrote:I would try page 369

I did not ask for a source for him saying it, I was asking for whatever source he based it on.You gave me the former. I already provided a link to exactly the same text.
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