Is Common Ground Between Atheists and Belief Possible?

hackenslash · **#161** by **hackenslash** » Jan 17, 2012 1:51 am

paarsurrey wrote:
hackenslash wrote:What I would like, and have asked for several times, is a citation of your metric for determining what is truthful and correct in the Bible and what is not.

I think I answered in one of my posts these days; it might have escaped your attention.
I will try again.

Jesus was a Jew; so naturally he believed in Torah without which he would not be a Jew.

Anything written in NT should not:

1. have any contradiction in the relative book of the NT ; and the entire NT itself.

2. It should not have any contradiction with the OT.

3. If there is a contradiction;

a. one which is mythical
b. or unreasonable
should be discarded;

and the other one should be deemed to be truthful.

Riiiigggghhhhtttt. So if one part of a book of made-up bollocks doesn't disagree with another part of a book of made-up bollocks, it's true? The whole fucking book's unreasonable and mythical, so by your logic, it should be discarded, along with the printed turd known as the Qu'ran.

Tero · **#162** by **Tero** » Jan 17, 2012 1:53 am

To the opening post, no.

paarsurrey · **#163** by **paarsurrey** » Jan 17, 2012 2:08 am

Tero wrote:To the opening post, no.

I think both sides need to learn co-existence.

MrFungus420 · **#164** by **MrFungus420** » Jan 17, 2012 2:25 am

paarsurrey wrote:
Tero wrote:To the opening post, no.

I think both sides need to learn co-existence.

You demonstrate why it is not possible.

You make your pronouncements about religion, not only your own, but you have the arrogance to tell Christians what is right and wrong about their beliefs based, not on their holy book, but on yours.

Your posts come across as incredibly arrogant and condescending, dripping with fake politeness and pseudo-civility.

There is no common ground with you. There is your view and everybody else has the wrong view.

z8000783 · **#165** by **z8000783** » Jan 17, 2012 7:24 am

paarsurrey wrote:
hackenslash wrote:What I would like, and have asked for several times, is a citation of your metric for determining what is truthful and correct in the Bible and what is not.

I think I answered in one of my posts these days; it might have escaped your attention.
I will try again.

Jesus was a Jew; so naturally he believed in Torah without which he would not be a Jew.

Anything written in NT should not:

1. have any contradiction in the relative book of the NT ; and the entire NT itself.

2. It should not have any contradiction with the OT.

3. If there is a contradiction;

a. one which is mythical
b. or unreasonable
should be discarded;

and the other one should be deemed to be truthful.

Thanks for that explanation.

Do you have and example for something that is mythical? I don't understand what that means.

John

paarsurrey · **#166** by **paarsurrey** » Jan 17, 2012 12:57 pm

z8000783 wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:
hackenslash wrote:What I would like, and have asked for several times, is a citation of your metric for determining what is truthful and correct in the Bible and what is not.

I think I answered in one of my posts these days; it might have escaped your attention.
I will try again.

Jesus was a Jew; so naturally he believed in Torah without which he would not be a Jew.

Anything written in NT should not:

1. have any contradiction in the relative book of the NT ; and the entire NT itself.

2. It should not have any contradiction with the OT.

3. If there is a contradiction;

a. one which is mythical
b. or unreasonable
should be discarded;

and the other one should be deemed to be truthful.

Thanks for that explanation.

Do you have and example for something that is mythical? I don't understand what that means.

John

Jesus being god or son of god; it is purely mythical.

z8000783 · **#167** by **z8000783** » Jan 17, 2012 1:01 pm

Is that the only example from the NT?

John

paarsurrey · **#168** by **paarsurrey** » Jan 17, 2012 1:23 pm

z8000783 wrote:Is that the only example from the NT?

John

You asked for something; and it is something to start with a discussion; we are not writing a book on myths.

Another myth is that Jesus died on the Cross for atonement of the sins of others.

Still another myth is that Jesus got resurrected from the dead and ascended to heavens and sat on the right hand of god.

Still another is Trinity.

For example; this much should be enough, I think.

z8000783 · **#169** by **z8000783** » Jan 17, 2012 1:49 pm

Thanks.

So what is it that makes these particular stories myths, in your eyes, compared to some of the others in the NT such as Jesus not having a father?

John

laklak · **#170** by **laklak** » Jan 17, 2012 2:02 pm

So Jesus' old man was a low-life mutha who split when he found out he knocked up Mary. Shame, poor Jesus. It's a known fact that children who grow up without a father figure have a greater chance of having difficulties. In Jesus' case, he fell in with a bad bunch and ended up on on Death Row. Let this be a lesson to men - Bag, then Shag.

Spearthrower · **#171** by **Spearthrower** » Jan 17, 2012 5:42 pm

paarsurrey wrote:
Tero wrote:To the opening post, no.

I think both sides need to learn co-existence.

I am happy to coexist with people, the problem is that certain religious doctrines don't do that co-existence thing:

http://www.humanism.org.uk/news/view/966

and if I hear that anything is said against the holy Prophet Mohammed, I will hunt you down.

Wish I'd been in the room. :naughty2:

Spearthrower · **#172** by **Spearthrower** » Jan 17, 2012 5:45 pm

paarsurrey wrote:
z8000783 wrote:Is that the only example from the NT?

John

You asked for something; and it is something to start with a discussion; we are not writing a book on myths.

Another myth is that Jesus died on the Cross for atonement of the sins of others.

Still another myth is that Jesus got resurrected from the dead and ascended to heavens and sat on the right hand of god.

Still another is Trinity.

For example; this much should be enough, I think.

Still another myth: Gabriel, an angel, popped down to have a chat with Mohammed to update Judaism with it's latest patch.

z8000783 · **#173** by **z8000783** » Jan 17, 2012 6:38 pm

Spearthrower wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:
Tero wrote:To the opening post, no.

I think both sides need to learn co-existence.

I am happy to coexist with people, the problem is that certain religious doctrines don't do that co-existence thing:

http://www.humanism.org.uk/news/view/966

and if I hear that anything is said against the holy Prophet Mohammed, I will hunt you down.

Wish I'd been in the room.

I should think quite a few people here would have wished that.

John

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