Is God’s justice close to an eye for an eye?

Greatest I am · **#21** by **Greatest I am** » Jan 14, 2012 5:40 pm

paarsurrey wrote:
It does not tell the complete teachings of the Creator God; I think the scribe hid the other part which pertained to forgiving the criminal for an agreed ransom, if the heirs of the victim agree and it seems that the criminal will not be a danger to the society.

This does not tell us if you favor it or if you would kill those who have done way less than kill.

What say you?

Regards
DL

willhud9 · **#22** by **willhud9** » Jan 14, 2012 6:39 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
willhud9 wrote:Aside from leviticus 24:20, please cite more references in which God endorsed an eye for an eye mentality?

You'd find the case would be the penalty was either death for a major sin against God, or a monetary reimbursement. If an Israelite stole, his hands were not cut off which is typical in eye for an eye cultures. As well, if a man caused bodily harm to another man, oftentimes the case was not physical harm to other man but some sort of re-compensation. The only big example was death was repaid by death.

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How do we sin against God?
Sin must have a victim if it is to be called a sin.
Can you victimize God?

Regards
DL

First of all, I know my Bible, I asked you to provide me with other verses, knowing you'd be hardpressed to find other ones.

Next I covered the definition of sin in other threads and this is not the thread to be doing that in depth but short summary:

Sin is disobedience from God's will. Does not require a victim. Sin is not the same as crime. It means you literally went astray or in Greek missed the mark from what God wanted you to do. No you can't victimize God.

Simon Bailey · **#23** by **Simon Bailey** » Jan 14, 2012 6:52 pm

Does anyone know what's happened to mercy in recent years? It was quite a big thing once, that mercy could be shown to an offender, but I don't think anyone believes in it any more. Where did it go, I wonder? I read certain bits of the bible, or Shakespeare who was very keen on it, and I think, oh yes, mercy. We used to have that. I miss it.

THWOTH · **#24** by **THWOTH** » Jan 14, 2012 7:21 pm

God's justice is whatever God decides is just. A just God is always and only ever just, such a God can never be unjust. Of course, you have to grant the existence of God as the ultimate law-giver to ever hold this to be in any way a reasonable or desirable theory of jurisprudence.

Zwaarddijk · **#25** by **Zwaarddijk** » Jan 14, 2012 7:25 pm

james1v wrote:If you follow the wibbles idea of justice, everyone ends up disabled. Thankfully, the west, had the enlightenment. We ditched these barbaric punishments.

So the Jews, that as far as we can tell (from the point they actually became what we call Judaism) never understood that verse as most people now understand it, were they enlightened ahead of us?

THWOTH · **#26** by **THWOTH** » Jan 14, 2012 7:59 pm

Now there's an idea. :ask:

paarsurrey · **#27** by **paarsurrey** » Jan 14, 2012 9:25 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:
It does not tell the complete teachings of the Creator God; I think the scribe hid the other part which pertained to forgiving the criminal for an agreed ransom, if the heirs of the victim agree and it seems that the criminal will not be a danger to the society.

This does not tell us if you favor it or if you would kill those who have done way less than kill.

What say you?

Regards
DL

I will leave it to the Law of the Land where I live in.

THWOTH · **#28** by **THWOTH** » Jan 14, 2012 9:55 pm

paarsurrey wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:It does not tell the complete teachings of the Creator God; I think the scribe hid the other part which pertained to forgiving the criminal for an agreed ransom, if the heirs of the victim agree and it seems that the criminal will not be a danger to the society.

This does not tell us if you favor it or if you would kill those who have done way less than kill.

What say you?

Regards
DL

I will leave it to the Law of the Land where I live in.

Then a secular body of law has more social force and authority than any particular religious law.

paarsurrey · **#29** by **paarsurrey** » Jan 14, 2012 10:09 pm

THWOTH wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:It does not tell the complete teachings of the Creator God; I think the scribe hid the other part which pertained to forgiving the criminal for an agreed ransom, if the heirs of the victim agree and it seems that the criminal will not be a danger to the society.

This does not tell us if you favor it or if you would kill those who have done way less than kill.

What say you?

Regards
DL

I will leave it to the Law of the Land where I live in.

Then a secular body of law has more social force and authority than any particular religious law.

Secular matters are to be left to the law of the land ; in ethical, moral and spiritual matters one will follow the truthful religion .

THWOTH · **#30** by **THWOTH** » Jan 14, 2012 10:10 pm

paarsurrey wrote:
THWOTH wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
This does not tell us if you favor it or if you would kill those who have done way less than kill.

What say you?

Regards
DL

I will leave it to the Law of the Land where I live in.

Then a secular body of law has more social force and authority than any particular religious law.

Secular matters are to be left to the law of the land ; in ethical, moral and spiritual matters one will follow the truthful religion .

But only to the extent of the law of the land?

LucidFlight · **#31** by **LucidFlight** » Jan 14, 2012 10:18 pm

paarsurrey wrote:Secular matters are to be left to the law of the land ; in ethical, moral and spiritual matters one will follow the truthful religion .

Does the truthfulness of a religion have an influence on its ethical, moral, and spiritual values? In what sense do you mean truthful here?

Greatest I am · **#32** by **Greatest I am** » Jan 15, 2012 3:21 am

willhud9 wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
willhud9 wrote:Aside from leviticus 24:20, please cite more references in which God endorsed an eye for an eye mentality?

You'd find the case would be the penalty was either death for a major sin against God, or a monetary reimbursement. If an Israelite stole, his hands were not cut off which is typical in eye for an eye cultures. As well, if a man caused bodily harm to another man, oftentimes the case was not physical harm to other man but some sort of re-compensation. The only big example was death was repaid by death.

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How do we sin against God?
Sin must have a victim if it is to be called a sin.
Can you victimize God?

Regards
DL

First of all, I know my Bible, I asked you to provide me with other verses, knowing you'd be hardpressed to find other ones.

Next I covered the definition of sin in other threads and this is not the thread to be doing that in depth but short summary:

Sin is disobedience from God's will. Does not require a victim. Sin is not the same as crime. It means you literally went astray or in Greek missed the mark from what God wanted you to do. No you can't victimize God.

Disobedience to which of the billions of Gods.

Let me know if you ever get your head out of Gods ass long enough to know that sin needs a victim.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am · **#33** by **Greatest I am** » Jan 15, 2012 3:29 am

THWOTH wrote:God's justice is whatever God decides is just. A just God is always and only ever just, such a God can never be unjust. Of course, you have to grant the existence of God as the ultimate law-giver to ever hold this to be in any way a reasonable or desirable theory of jurisprudence.

Who, other than a man, ever put voice to the will of God?.
For peace and stability, a new man must be found.
Let us thank God that man has forsaken the Christian God as a lawmaker and ignore his barbaric laws.

Regards
DL

willhud9 · **#34** by **willhud9** » Jan 15, 2012 3:31 am

Greatest I am wrote:
willhud9 wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
willhud9 wrote:Aside from leviticus 24:20, please cite more references in which God endorsed an eye for an eye mentality?

You'd find the case would be the penalty was either death for a major sin against God, or a monetary reimbursement. If an Israelite stole, his hands were not cut off which is typical in eye for an eye cultures. As well, if a man caused bodily harm to another man, oftentimes the case was not physical harm to other man but some sort of re-compensation. The only big example was death was repaid by death.

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How do we sin against God?
Sin must have a victim if it is to be called a sin.
Can you victimize God?

Regards
DL

First of all, I know my Bible, I asked you to provide me with other verses, knowing you'd be hardpressed to find other ones.

Next I covered the definition of sin in other threads and this is not the thread to be doing that in depth but short summary:

Sin is disobedience from God's will. Does not require a victim. Sin is not the same as crime. It means you literally went astray or in Greek missed the mark from what God wanted you to do. No you can't victimize God.

Disobedience to which of the billions of Gods.

Let me know if you ever get your head out of Gods ass long enough to know that sin needs a victim.

Regards
DL

Sorry bud, I'm an atheist. There is no ass to pull my head out of.

Greatest I am · **#35** by **Greatest I am** » Jan 15, 2012 3:35 am

paarsurrey wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:
It does not tell the complete teachings of the Creator God; I think the scribe hid the other part which pertained to forgiving the criminal for an agreed ransom, if the heirs of the victim agree and it seems that the criminal will not be a danger to the society.

This does not tell us if you favor it or if you would kill those who have done way less than kill.

What say you?

Regards
DL

I will leave it to the Law of the Land where I live in.

You are either the law of yourself or you are a slave.

Choose.

Regards
DL

willhud9 · **#36** by **willhud9** » Jan 15, 2012 5:04 am

o.0 what kind of choice is that?

paarsurrey · **#37** by **paarsurrey** » Jan 15, 2012 1:04 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:
It does not tell the complete teachings of the Creator God; I think the scribe hid the other part which pertained to forgiving the criminal for an agreed ransom, if the heirs of the victim agree and it seems that the criminal will not be a danger to the society.

This does not tell us if you favor it or if you would kill those who have done way less than kill.

What say you?

Regards
DL

I will leave it to the Law of the Land where I live in.

You are either the law of yourself or you are a slave.

Choose.

Regards
DL

I don't get you; seems to be expressing unreasonable choice

Greatest I am · **#38** by **Greatest I am** » Jan 15, 2012 8:48 pm

If you say so.

It is your choice to think it unreasonable or not.

I decided and chose. Right or wrong , it did not hurt me; hence it follows that I would not see what is unreasonable.
After all, we all know if we are free or slaves. Ask any slave.

Regards
DL

paarsurrey · **#39** by **paarsurrey** » Jan 15, 2012 10:59 pm

Greatest I am wrote:If you say so.

It is your choice to think it unreasonable or not.

I decided and chose. Right or wrong , it did not hurt me; hence it follows that I would not see what is unreasonable.
After all, we all know if we are free or slaves. Ask any slave.

Regards
DL

If your post is addressed to me.

I think it is addresed to me ; and I don't believe in following anybody blindly.

Scar · **#40** by **Scar** » Jan 15, 2012 11:56 pm

paarsurrey wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:If you say so.

It is your choice to think it unreasonable or not.

I decided and chose. Right or wrong , it did not hurt me; hence it follows that I would not see what is unreasonable.
After all, we all know if we are free or slaves. Ask any slave.

Regards
DL

If your post is addressed to me.

I think for myself; and don't believe in following anybody blindly.

If that is what you think you are doing, let me inform you that you are doing it wrong.

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