Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#101  Postby monkeyboy » Feb 12, 2017 1:04 am

Fallible wrote:
LucidFlight wrote:
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no,i am not glad,in fact when ever i remember hell i ask allah protection from that awful place.

my theory is that it is not eternal.

What is your theory based on?


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So starting out thin at one end eh?
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#102  Postby BlackBart » Feb 12, 2017 9:44 am

Dark energy wrote:can you prove to me that i dont have a soul? no,you cant..


I also can't prove that you're not living in the Matrix. I also can't prove you're the daydream of a pink elephant named Henry.
Does that mean we have to either of those scenarios serious consideration? If not, why not?
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#103  Postby BlackBart » Feb 12, 2017 9:53 am

So what is this 'soul' thing? And why does it have to be tested? Is it's 'creator' ignorant of it's suitability? And why is haunting a lump of meat for a comparative nanosecond a suitable test if it's not a scenario it's ever going to experience again?
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#104  Postby Fallible » Feb 12, 2017 10:40 am

monkeyboy wrote:
Fallible wrote:
LucidFlight wrote:
Dark energy wrote:

no,i am not glad,in fact when ever i remember hell i ask allah protection from that awful place.

my theory is that it is not eternal.

What is your theory based on?


Brontosauri.

So starting out thin at one end eh?


Fat in the middle.
She battled through in every kind of tribulation,
She revelled in adventure and imagination.
She never listened to no hater, liar,
Breaking boundaries and chasing fire.
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#105  Postby BlackBart » Feb 12, 2017 10:42 am

ahem!
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#106  Postby Alan B » Feb 12, 2017 11:35 am

Dark energy wrote:i have zero emotions attached to the thread.
And that is not all you don't have.
You appear to have zero God; you cannot show evidence for it's existence.
You appear to have zero Soul; you cannot show evidence for it's existence.
You appear to have zero 'After-life'; you cannot show evidence for it's existence.

You also appear to have zero effort in logical thinking and enquiry concerning your 'Holy Book' and the origins of your religion.

There is nothing you can offer to persuade others to follow you (or your religion).
I have NO BELIEF in the existence of a God or gods. I do not have to offer evidence nor do I have to determine absence of evidence because I do not ASSERT that a God does or does not or gods do or do not exist.
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#107  Postby Dark energy » Feb 12, 2017 12:42 pm

it was never my intention to persuade others to follow my religion or a specific religion.
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#108  Postby BlackBart » Feb 12, 2017 4:54 pm

Then what point are you trying to make exactly? :what:
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#109  Postby Scot Dutchy » Feb 12, 2017 5:13 pm

The point that every theist tries to make.
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#110  Postby laklak » Feb 12, 2017 5:36 pm

If others find comfort in religion then who am I to rain on their parade? Believe what you choose to believe, or as a famous Liverpudlian once put it, "Whatever gets you through the night, it's all right".

I just ask that I be afforded the same consideration. Most people do, actually, and the subject of religion doesn't come up. Given where I live that's probably because they think everyone is religious by default. They don't ask "are you religious?" or "do you go to church?", they say "what church do you go to?" I generally say "I'm not much of a churchgoer" and leave it at that, but their assumption that I'm a Believer remains. I don't flaunt my atheism, not because I fear social disapprobation, but because there's zero to be gained from engaging with the closed minded. I remember one conversation when I said "I'm an atheist", and the response was "well that's fine, but you still believe in God, right?" Like I said, zero gain.
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#111  Postby Scot Dutchy » Feb 13, 2017 12:44 pm

Never been placed in that situation here. People assume you dont go to church. Only in Ireland was I asked if I attended church or if I lived near one. I just said I was an atheist and that was the end of the conversation.
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#112  Postby Fallible » Feb 13, 2017 1:43 pm

I can't imagine being asked which church I go to. It's probably penultimate on the list of all possible questions to ask someone just above 'where do you bury your victims?' That's made me have a little chuckle. Being asked which church I go to. In Britain...


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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#113  Postby Thommo » Feb 13, 2017 1:49 pm

laklak wrote:...their assumption that I'm a Believer remains.


I'm 99% sure it's your avatar causing that. Scratch that, it's not 99%, there's not a trace of doubt in my mind.
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