Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#81  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 11, 2017 9:13 pm

wishful thinking most likely, like the basis for the rest of his faith. Do you believe in human evolution dark energy? Because the koran does not, and it is as close to a scientific fact as any we know...
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#82  Postby Fallible » Feb 11, 2017 9:15 pm

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no,i am not glad,in fact when ever i remember hell i ask allah protection from that awful place.

my theory is that it is not eternal.

What is your theory based on?


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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#83  Postby Dark energy » Feb 11, 2017 9:27 pm

LucidFlight wrote:
Dark energy wrote:

no,i am not glad,in fact when ever i remember hell i ask allah protection from that awful place.

my theory is that it is not eternal.

What is your theory based on?


on schools of thought that disagree wether it is eternal nor not.
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#84  Postby Dark energy » Feb 11, 2017 9:32 pm

Keep It Real wrote:wishful thinking most likely, like the basis for the rest of his faith. Do you believe in human evolution dark energy? Because the koran does not, and it is as close to a scientific fact as any we know...


I have learnt a great deal in evolution theory.
i have taken it in schools,read alot in books/magaz,watched documentaries ,interesting theory but have no connection to my faith.
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#85  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 11, 2017 9:34 pm

so you don't believe Allah created the first man from a clot of blood?
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#86  Postby LucidFlight » Feb 11, 2017 9:45 pm

Dark energy wrote:
LucidFlight wrote:
Dark energy wrote:

no,i am not glad,in fact when ever i remember hell i ask allah protection from that awful place.

my theory is that it is not eternal.

What is your theory based on?


on schools of thought that disagree wether it is eternal nor not.

What do these schools of thought base their thoughts on?
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#87  Postby Dark energy » Feb 11, 2017 9:49 pm

so you don't believe Allah created the first man from a clot of blood?


the first man adam was created from clay not a clot of blood.let it make it clearer,Evolution theory is a nice reading but have no connection to my faith.
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#88  Postby Dark energy » Feb 11, 2017 9:58 pm

What do these schools of thought base their thoughts on?


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#89  Postby LucidFlight » Feb 11, 2017 9:59 pm

Dark energy wrote:
What do these schools of thought base their thoughts on?


preaching is not my specialty.

I don't understand this answer. :(
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#90  Postby Sendraks » Feb 11, 2017 10:11 pm

Dark energy wrote:the first man adam was created from clay not a clot of blood.let it make it clearer,Evolution theory is a nice reading but have no connection to my faith.


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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#91  Postby Dark energy » Feb 11, 2017 10:19 pm

I don't understand this answer.

believe me,it is not that important to know.


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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#92  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 11, 2017 10:25 pm

No, and I don't think you've got one either.
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#93  Postby Dark energy » Feb 11, 2017 10:32 pm

can you prove to me that i dont have a soul? no,you cant..
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#94  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 11, 2017 10:33 pm

I might have come across as a bit aggressive in this thread dark energy, but know that I mean you no ill, I'm just giving my opinion. I see no reason we can't be friends despite our differences, when push comes to shove.
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#95  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 11, 2017 10:35 pm

I can't prove you don't have a unicorn either. I can say that there is no evidence for a soul, or other magical components of the human being, or unicorns, or leprechauns, or the tooth fairy, or Allah.
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#96  Postby Alan B » Feb 11, 2017 10:51 pm

Dark energy wrote:can you prove to me that i dont have a soul? no,you cant..

That is a nonsensical line of thought.

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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#97  Postby SafeAsMilk » Feb 11, 2017 10:56 pm

Dark energy wrote:can you prove to me that i dont have a soul? no,you cant..

That's not how it goes. You cannot prove a negative, it is impossible. You are making a positive claim that you have a soul, therefore the onus is on you to provide the evidence. If you don't provide anything, it's entirely reasonable for me to dismiss your claim. You use these methods for all sorts of things all the time to evaluate claims, but you hold a special exception for your faith.
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#98  Postby Dark energy » Feb 11, 2017 11:07 pm

i have zero emotions attached to the thread.
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#99  Postby Arnold Layne » Feb 11, 2017 11:14 pm

Dark energy wrote:i have zero emotions attached to the thread.

You have zero.
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Re: Is it irrational for Christians to feel guilt/pride?

#100  Postby monkeyboy » Feb 12, 2017 1:00 am

Dark energy wrote:
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Dark energy wrote:it is part of Gods plan,might be he has something in store for them as for hell,it is satan that is dragging them to it,.

See, not even that bit makes sense.

Why would Satan, a fallen angel, cast out from heaven do God's work? He's supposedly the master of evil etc and rules over hell, torturing the sinful for eternity but have you stopped to consider if that makes any sense? Surely hell ought to be like party central for the wicked. If it truly is satan orchestrating all the bad shit and recruiting people to his dastardly ways, why would he torture them in a lake of fire for doing his will? They'd be his guys, the more twisted the better. It doesn't make sense for him to torture people who did what he wanted.

But, let's say that he is there, just as Alighieri described, punishing the evil. Doesn't that make satan an agent for god? Wouldn't satan be doing gods work by punishing the wicked? Is satan God's Luca Brasi? Is that it? God can't smite any more because of rainbows but he uses Satan to do his wet work?


we are talking about two different satans here,we are on completely different wavelenght .satan never tortures people in hell,he is alive and in his planet earth making sure to mislead people,to turn them away from god,satan himself will be tortured in hell along with the humans who follow him.

And you know this how? Is there evidence for satan anywhere or is this just a näive explanation someone came up with for the bad shit people do in their lives. They couldn't be personally responsible or there be a perfectly plausible chain of life events that led them to behave the way they do? No, just cut to the chase and blame satan. Unbelievably moronic!
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