I have recently heard that the Roman records for the execution of Jesus clash with that described in the Bible.

Notably, that the records indicate that he was executed for witchcraft/sorcery, rather than blasphemy.

Does anyone have a source about this...?

I'm not aware of any Roman records that have survived, stating anything about Jesus, let alone his "crucifiction".

There are no Roman records, but what might be relevant to look into as a source for this claim are certain way later Jewish traditions, e.g. the genre of parodic novellae of which toldot yeshu is one of the better known examples.

(E.g. my hypothesis of whence your claim is: someone has come across a reference to the Toldot Yeshu narrative somewhere, and then not checked exactly what it was and repeated it later on, and in the retelling, it's ended up as the version you've heard. Toldot Yeshu-variations can be heard from some Jewish sources that counter the christian missionary pressure on Judaism, but that's not the only conceivable source by which toldot yeshu would've ended up influencing what you heard.)

falconjudge wrote:I have recently heard that the Roman records for the execution of Jesus clash with that described in the Bible.

Notably, that the records indicate that he was executed for witchcraft/sorcery, rather than blasphemy.

Does anyone have a source about this...?

Jesus never practiced any witchcraft or sorcery.
But he did not make a blasphemy either.

james1v wrote:I'm not aware of any Roman records that have survived, stating anything about Jesus, let alone his "crucifiction".

Never heard of.

paarsurrey wrote:

james1v wrote:I'm not aware of any Roman records that have survived, stating anything about Jesus, let alone his "crucifiction".

Never heard of.

Never heard of what? Jesus?

Zwaarddijk wrote:Toldot Yeshu

For an introduction to Toledot Yeshu; one may click the following link:

http://www.princeton.edu/~judaic/toledotyeshu.html

james1v wrote:

paarsurrey wrote:

james1v wrote:I'm not aware of any Roman records that have survived, stating anything about Jesus, let alone his "crucifiction".

Never heard of.

Never heard of what? Jesus?

Of Roman records about Jesus' "crucifixion"

Ironclad wrote:

paarsurrey wrote:

falconjudge wrote:I have recently heard that the Roman records for the execution of Jesus clash with that described in the Bible.

Notably, that the records indicate that he was executed for witchcraft/sorcery, rather than blasphemy.

Does anyone have a source about this...?

Jesus never practiced any witchcraft or sorcery.

Yes he did, Jesus was a necromancer. He raised the dead, including himself (his own self?). Shit, in any era he'd be executed - today the Saudis would relieve him of his head in a car park at the mere suggestion of the dark arts Jesus practiced.

Water into wine! If that isn't sorcery, what is it? Curing people by just touching them? That's not regular healing, that's witchcraft.

monkeyboy wrote:

Ironclad wrote:

paarsurrey wrote:

falconjudge wrote:I have recently heard that the Roman records for the execution of Jesus clash with that described in the Bible.

Notably, that the records indicate that he was executed for witchcraft/sorcery, rather than blasphemy.

Does anyone have a source about this...?

Jesus never practiced any witchcraft or sorcery.

Yes he did, Jesus was a necromancer. He raised the dead, including himself (his own self?). Shit, in any era he'd be executed - today the Saudis would relieve him of his head in a car park at the mere suggestion of the dark arts Jesus practiced.

Water into wine! If that isn't sorcery, what is it? Curing people by just touching them? That's not regular healing, that's witchcraft.

I remember reading somewhere that early depictions of Jesus have him with some sort of magic wand.
And short hair too, now that I think about it.
Unrelated, but the short hair kind of makes more sense to the epistle of Peter saying its wrong for men to have long hair, or something of the sort.

monkeyboy wrote:

Ironclad wrote:

paarsurrey wrote:

falconjudge wrote:I have recently heard that the Roman records for the execution of Jesus clash with that described in the Bible.

Notably, that the records indicate that he was executed for witchcraft/sorcery, rather than blasphemy.

Does anyone have a source about this...?

Jesus never practiced any witchcraft or sorcery.

Yes he did, Jesus was a necromancer. He raised the dead, including himself (his own self?). Shit, in any era he'd be executed - today the Saudis would relieve him of his head in a car park at the mere suggestion of the dark arts Jesus practiced.

Water into wine! If that isn't sorcery, what is it? Curing people by just touching them? That's not regular healing, that's witchcraft.

I think those are the stories created by the miracle monger scribes; do they have any secular records?

MarkP80 wrote:

monkeyboy wrote:

Ironclad wrote:

paarsurrey wrote:

Jesus never practiced any witchcraft or sorcery.

Yes he did, Jesus was a necromancer. He raised the dead, including himself (his own self?). Shit, in any era he'd be executed - today the Saudis would relieve him of his head in a car park at the mere suggestion of the dark arts Jesus practiced.

Water into wine! If that isn't sorcery, what is it? Curing people by just touching them? That's not regular healing, that's witchcraft.

I remember reading somewhere that early depictions of Jesus have him with some sort of magic wand.
And short hair too, now that I think about it.
Unrelated, but the short hair kind of makes more sense to the epistle of Peter saying its wrong for men to have long hair, or something of the sort.

For Jesus hairs, long or short, or beard; one should look on his image on the Shrowd of Turn; when its carbon 14 dating is corrected.

paarsurrey wrote:

MarkP80 wrote:

monkeyboy wrote:

Ironclad wrote:

Yes he did, Jesus was a necromancer. He raised the dead, including himself (his own self?). Shit, in any era he'd be executed - today the Saudis would relieve him of his head in a car park at the mere suggestion of the dark arts Jesus practiced.

Water into wine! If that isn't sorcery, what is it? Curing people by just touching them? That's not regular healing, that's witchcraft.

I remember reading somewhere that early depictions of Jesus have him with some sort of magic wand.
And short hair too, now that I think about it.
Unrelated, but the short hair kind of makes more sense to the epistle of Peter saying its wrong for men to have long hair, or something of the sort.

For Jesus hairs, long or short, or beard; one should look on his image on the Shrowd of Turn; when its carbon 14 dating is corrected.

You just made my day.
Thanks for the laugh!

paarsurrey wrote:

falconjudge wrote:I have recently heard that the Roman records for the execution of Jesus clash with that described in the Bible.

Notably, that the records indicate that he was executed for witchcraft/sorcery, rather than blasphemy.

Does anyone have a source about this...?

Jesus never practiced any witchcraft or sorcery.
But he did not make a blasphemy either.

How can you be so sure?

John

z8000783 wrote:

paarsurrey wrote:

falconjudge wrote:I have recently heard that the Roman records for the execution of Jesus clash with that described in the Bible.

Notably, that the records indicate that he was executed for witchcraft/sorcery, rather than blasphemy.

Does anyone have a source about this...?

Jesus never practiced any witchcraft or sorcery.
But he did not make a blasphemy either.

How can you be so sure?

John

If Jesus had made a blasphemy as do the Christians hold that he was a god or son of god; then the Jews would have suggested punishment accordingly; there is no punishment of putting one on cross for claiming divinity in Torah that Jews believe.

paarsurrey wrote:

z8000783 wrote:

paarsurrey wrote:

falconjudge wrote:I have recently heard that the Roman records for the execution of Jesus clash with that described in the Bible.

Notably, that the records indicate that he was executed for witchcraft/sorcery, rather than blasphemy.

Does anyone have a source about this...?

Jesus never practiced any witchcraft or sorcery.
But he did not make a blasphemy either.

How can you be so sure?

John

If Jesus had made a blasphemy as do the Christians hold that he was a god or son of god; then the Jews would have suggested punishment accordingly; there is no punishment of putting one on cross for claiming divinity in Torah that Jews believe.

The NT does claim they tried to stone him at one point for blaspheming, but that they failed.

Zwaarddijk wrote:

paarsurrey wrote:

z8000783 wrote:

paarsurrey wrote:

Jesus never practiced any witchcraft or sorcery.
But he did not make a blasphemy either.

How can you be so sure?

John

If Jesus had made a blasphemy as do the Christians hold that he was a god or son of god; then the Jews would have suggested punishment accordingly; there is no punishment of putting one on cross for claiming divinity in Torah that Jews believe.

The NT does claim they tried to stone him at one point for blaspheming, but that they failed.

Did the stones just bounce off him?

Zwaarddijk wrote:

paarsurrey wrote:

z8000783 wrote:

paarsurrey wrote:

Jesus never practiced any witchcraft or sorcery.
But he did not make a blasphemy either.

How can you be so sure?

John

If Jesus had made a blasphemy as do the Christians hold that he was a god or son of god; then the Jews would have suggested punishment accordingly; there is no punishment of putting one on cross for claiming divinity in Torah that Jews believe.

The NT does claim they tried to stone him at one point for blaspheming, but that they failed.

Please mention from OT that stoning is the punishment of claiming godhead in Jews; that Jesus never claimed.