Jesus' House? 1st-Century Structure May Be Where He Grew Up

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Re: Jesus' House? 1st-Century Structure May Be Where He Grew Up

#21  Postby angelo » Mar 08, 2015 10:45 am

Why is it that every time some artefact in Israel from around 2000 years ago is found it is associated with Jesus? Could it be that xtianity has something to do with this?
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#22  Postby Scot Dutchy » Mar 08, 2015 10:51 am

angelo wrote:Why is it that every time some artefact in Israel from around 2000 years ago is found it is associated with Jesus? Could it be that xtianity has something to do with this?


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#23  Postby Rumraket » Mar 08, 2015 12:27 pm

Free wrote:Massive assumption. Appears to be an attempt at sensationalism. From a strictly historical perspective, although Jesus may have come from Nazareth, there is no evidence he existed there as a child. There is nothing known about Jesus before he began his purported ministry.

But I cannot find much info on this archaeologist in an effort to determine if he has some kind of Christian bias.

He's found a house dating to the period and finds it appropriate to not only speculate whether Jesus lived in it, but to speak about it publicly. He's propagandizing for his religious beliefs. That is christian bias.
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#24  Postby Rumraket » Mar 08, 2015 12:30 pm

Arcanyn wrote:
willhud9 wrote:Sure Jesus could have lived in this house, or it could have been thousands of other Palestinian Jews whom also lived in the area.

The odds of it being Jesus' house is what? .0001%?


I guess "archaeologists may have found the house that belonged to the local baker in the first century" probably makes for a less exciting headline.

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Also, there are sensationalistic headlines, and then there are sensationalistic headlines with a nice fat christian spin.
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#25  Postby MS2 » Mar 08, 2015 12:40 pm

Rumraket wrote:
Free wrote:Massive assumption. Appears to be an attempt at sensationalism. From a strictly historical perspective, although Jesus may have come from Nazareth, there is no evidence he existed there as a child. There is nothing known about Jesus before he began his purported ministry.

But I cannot find much info on this archaeologist in an effort to determine if he has some kind of Christian bias.

He's found a house dating to the period and finds it appropriate to not only speculate whether Jesus lived in it, but to speak about it publicly. He's propagandizing for his religious beliefs. That is christian bias.

I don't think that's entirely fair. It was found a very long time ago and was venerated as Jesus's house for centuries. It was then 'lost' and then found again in the 19th century, when there was further speculation as to it being Jesus's house. In those circumstances it is reasonable to carry out a proper archaeological investigation and also to discuss the question whether it could have been J's house in the paper writing up his findings.
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#26  Postby Onyx8 » Mar 08, 2015 3:36 pm

Or whether there was christian bias in the original speculation.
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#27  Postby MarkP80 » Mar 08, 2015 4:06 pm

Easter is coming, so this is just like Jesus' tomb around this same time last year, or whatever it was around this time two years ago, yadda yadda.

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#28  Postby MS2 » Mar 08, 2015 4:22 pm

Onyx8 wrote:Or whether there was christian bias in the original speculation.

I think that's a given.
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#29  Postby proudfootz » Mar 09, 2015 2:57 am

Rumraket wrote:
Arcanyn wrote:
willhud9 wrote:Sure Jesus could have lived in this house, or it could have been thousands of other Palestinian Jews whom also lived in the area.

The odds of it being Jesus' house is what? .0001%?


I guess "archaeologists may have found the house that belonged to the local baker in the first century" probably makes for a less exciting headline.

:this:

Also, there are sensationalistic headlines, and then there are sensationalistic headlines with a nice fat christian spin.


If it brings in the tourists, what's the harm? :naughty2:
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#30  Postby Goldenmane » Mar 09, 2015 9:28 am

Onyx8 wrote:
willhud9 wrote:But then he was a weaver and not a carpenter! Bible was wrong. 10/10 Fact sourcing their Onyx8!



:lol: Iirc, the bible doesn't mention Jesus' profession, isn't it just assumed that because his 'dad' was a carpenter that then he would be too, if he hadn't fallen in with the bad crowd and got himself banged up?


As I understand it, the word used in the original gibberish for Joe's profession doesn't even necessarily translate to 'carpenter'. It's closer to something like 'tradesman', and calling him a carpenter is merely a convention, possibly because the prospect of him being a plumber was a little odious. :mrgreen:

There's no reason to think that Josh would have been a carpenter either, even if Joe had been, since at no point in the stories is there anything like, "And lo, Josh did make a fuck-off awesome dining suite, with those really tricky dove joints and a deeply stylish stain. Then he healed the thumb he'd cut off with a clumsy bit of chiselling, because he was a chippy and those fuckers screw their hands up all the goddamn time."
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#31  Postby Blackadder » Mar 09, 2015 9:34 am

Goldenmane wrote:
There's no reason to think that Josh would have been a carpenter either, even if Joe had been, since at no point in the stories is there anything like, "And lo, Josh did make a fuck-off awesome dining suite, with those really tricky dove joints and a deeply stylish stain. Then he healed the thumb he'd cut off with a clumsy bit of chiselling, because he was a chippy and those fuckers screw their hands up all the goddamn time."


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#32  Postby hackenslash » Mar 09, 2015 10:34 am

Goldenmane wrote:There's no reason to think that Josh would have been a carpenter either, even if Joe had been, since at no point in the stories is there anything like, "And lo, Josh did make a fuck-off awesome dining suite, with those really tricky dove joints and a deeply stylish stain. Then he healed the thumb he'd cut off with a clumsy bit of chiselling, because he was a chippy and those fuckers screw their hands up all the goddamn time."


Yes, but could he build a bookcase? ;)

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#33  Postby Goldenmane » Mar 09, 2015 10:36 am

hackenslash wrote:
Goldenmane wrote:There's no reason to think that Josh would have been a carpenter either, even if Joe had been, since at no point in the stories is there anything like, "And lo, Josh did make a fuck-off awesome dining suite, with those really tricky dove joints and a deeply stylish stain. Then he healed the thumb he'd cut off with a clumsy bit of chiselling, because he was a chippy and those fuckers screw their hands up all the goddamn time."


Yes, but could he build a bookcase? ;)

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Scrollcase, maybe. No books, but.
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#34  Postby Onyx8 » Mar 09, 2015 4:31 pm

:lol: :thumbup:

Why would you even need a bookcase? There was only one book.
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#35  Postby John Platko » Mar 09, 2015 8:37 pm

Paul wrote:Wonder if they'll find a receipt for a burial shroud.


I'm thinking they would have better luck searching for a receipt of a table cloth purchased for the Last Supper. The shroud usage was probably a repurposing. However, given the blood stains, and for other reasons, it seems unlike they would have kept the receipt because returning the cloth seems to have been off the table.
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Re: Jesus' House? 1st-Century Structure May Be Where He Grew Up

#36  Postby Paul » Mar 09, 2015 8:39 pm

John Platko wrote:
Paul wrote:Wonder if they'll find a receipt for a burial shroud.


I'm thinking they would have better luck searching for a receipt of a table cloth purchased for the Last Supper. The shroud usage was probably a repurposing. However, given the blood stains, and for other reasons, it seems unlike they would have kept the receipt because returning the cloth seems to have been off the table.


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#37  Postby DougC » Mar 10, 2015 5:34 pm

'And it is on this very spot, that we think David the blacksmith shagged Mary, while Joseph was out.'
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#38  Postby proudfootz » Mar 11, 2015 2:04 am

DougC wrote:'And it is on this very spot, that we think David the blacksmith shagged Mary, while Joseph was out.'


I think Joseph might have been spending a few shekels on that saucy Magdalene woman that very day.

Curious how the lines converge and diverge in the next episode of 'Nazareth House'? Stay tuned! :popcorn:
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#39  Postby Agrippina » Mar 11, 2015 5:09 am

From Wikipedia:

James F. Strange, an American archaeologist, notes: "Nazareth is not mentioned in ancient Jewish sources earlier than the third century CE. This likely reflects its lack of prominence both in Galilee and in Judaea."[37] Strange originally calculated the population of Nazareth at the time of Christ as "roughly 1,600 to 2,000 people" but, in a subsequent publication, revised this figure down to "a maximum of about 480."[38] In 2009 Israeli archaeologist Yardenna Alexandre excavated archaeological remains in Nazareth that might date to the time of Jesus in the early Roman period. Alexandre told reporters, "The discovery is of the utmost importance since it reveals for the very first time a house from the Jewish village of Nazareth."[39] Other sources state that during Jesus's time, Nazareth had a population of 400 and one public bath, which was important for civic and religious purposes.


The Jews were writing their history before the Christians were making up nonsense to fit the story of the person they wanted as their god, since they didn't like the nasty, vengeful, genocidal one that the jews worshipped, so why not pick a small obscure town as his birthplace?

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#40  Postby proudfootz » Mar 11, 2015 10:48 am

Agrippina wrote:From Wikipedia:

James F. Strange, an American archaeologist, notes: "Nazareth is not mentioned in ancient Jewish sources earlier than the third century CE. This likely reflects its lack of prominence both in Galilee and in Judaea."[37] Strange originally calculated the population of Nazareth at the time of Christ as "roughly 1,600 to 2,000 people" but, in a subsequent publication, revised this figure down to "a maximum of about 480."[38] In 2009 Israeli archaeologist Yardenna Alexandre excavated archaeological remains in Nazareth that might date to the time of Jesus in the early Roman period. Alexandre told reporters, "The discovery is of the utmost importance since it reveals for the very first time a house from the Jewish village of Nazareth."[39] Other sources state that during Jesus's time, Nazareth had a population of 400 and one public bath, which was important for civic and religious purposes.


The Jews were writing their history before the Christians were making up nonsense to fit the story of the person they wanted as their god, since they didn't like the nasty, vengeful, genocidal one that the jews worshipped, so why not pick a small obscure town as his birthplace?

And happy birthday Paul. :cheers:


It could be that 'of Nazareth' was a joke.

Jesus, known for absconding from his tomb, supposedly hails from a necropolis out in the sticks. :lol:

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