paarsurrey wrote:Garza-Valdes, together with Victor and Nancy Tryon, has carried out a PCR DNA test on blood samples taken from the Shroud ([18], pp. 115-119). He conducted a standard sex determination test. He looked for, and found, fragments of the amelogenin-X gene, which is found only on the X-chromosome, and the amelogenin-Y gene, which is found only on the Y-chromosome. Thus, Garza-Valdes concluded that the blood on the Shroud possessed the full XY chromosome pair.

http://theophysics.host56.com/tipler-om … anity.html

What does that signify?

In principle, it might be possible to show, by DNA analysis of the blood on the Shroud (or the Sudarium), that Jesus was not only born of a Virgin, but that he and his mother were without original sin. That is, it might be possible to confirm the Immaculate Conception (Catholic Church dogma since 1854). In the Christian tradition, original sin is inherited from our ultimate ancestors. If original sin actually exists, then it must in some way be coded in our genetic material, i.e., in our DNA. Also according to the Christian tradition, original sin originated in the Fall, an act of some kind by our ultimate ancestors. Before the Fall there was no sin. Almost all scientists consider the Fall a fairy tale. I want to argue the contrary. I shall claim that there was a time in Earth's history when no sin or evil existed, that sin came into the Earth's biosphere at a definite time in the past, and that not only we humans but all metazoans are infected by it. A tendency to commit evil acts is indeed in our DNA, and hence it is inherited. But this tendency might not present in all humans' DNA. A man and a woman might have not have had the sin behavior genes.

Regina wrote:Thanks, Nine.
I might have missed this gem:

Almost all scientists consider the Fall a fairy tale. I want to argue the contrary. I shall claim that there was a time in Earth's history when no sin or evil existed, that sin came into the Earth's biosphere at a definite time in the past, and that not only we humans but all metazoans are infected by it. A tendency to commit evil acts is indeed in our DNA, and hence it is inherited. But this tendency might not present in all humans' DNA. A man and a woman might have not have had the sin behavior genes.

Gotta love science!

Ironclad wrote:There was indeed a time on Earth when there was no sin.

Regina wrote:

Ironclad wrote:There was indeed a time on Earth when there was no sin.

When?

Scot Dutchy wrote:

Regina wrote:

Ironclad wrote:There was indeed a time on Earth when there was no sin.

When?

There is no sin today either. Sin does not exist.

Zwaarddijk wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:

Regina wrote:
When?

There is no sin today either. Sin does not exist.

But you clearly do think there are things that are morally reprehensible, so you do essentially believe sin exists.

Scot Dutchy wrote:

Zwaarddijk wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:

There is no sin today either. Sin does not exist.

But you clearly do think there are things that are morally reprehensible, so you do essentially believe sin exists.

Sin is just a term thought up in a belief system. It has no weight or mass. It is just in the mind of a theist.

Things that are morally reprehensible I do not call sin. They are offences to society.

NineBerry wrote:Why not call them chocolate pudding?

Zwaarddijk wrote:

NineBerry wrote:Why not call them chocolate pudding?

Let's check an easily available dictionary:

sin:
- (theology) A violation of a moral or religious law; an error.
- A misdeed.