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#1  Postby DougC » Mar 22, 2014 1:24 am

Post anything here you notice that others might be interested in that you dont think makes a thread on its own.

Vatican Library to digitise archives with Japanese support

Pope Francis denounces 'evil, blood-stained' mafia
(Bit rich coming from the RCC, IMHO.)
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#2  Postby BlackBart » Mar 22, 2014 10:11 am

Aw. I was expecting Bill Oddie in a tent in the middle of St.Peter's Square. :(
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#3  Postby chairman bill » Mar 22, 2014 11:04 am

"The Pope must die!" screams Don Corlione

Pope Francis warns mafiosi to repent or 'end up in hell'
Francis's stance on organised crime in contrast with church's perceived former reluctance to criticise mafia bosses
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/22/pope-francis-warns-mafiosi-to-repent-or-end-up-in-hell
Pope Francis has made his strongest attack to date on the mafia, telling organised crime bosses they will end up in hell if they do not "convert" and give up their lives of "bloodstained money [and] blood-stained power". In an echo of John Paul II's appeal to mafia dons to renounce their "culture of death", the Argentinian urged mafiosi to "stop doing evil" as he held an unprecedented meeting with hundreds of victims' relatives in Rome.

"I feel that I cannot conclude without saying a word to the protagonists who are absent today – the men and women mafiosi," he said, quietly but forcefully. "Please change your lives. Convert yourselves. Stop doing evil." (cont.)
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#4  Postby DougC » Apr 01, 2014 9:15 pm

B.B.C. - Belfast City Council to invite Pope Francis to the city

Thats going to end well. :coffee:
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#5  Postby CarlPierce » Apr 02, 2014 12:54 pm

chairman bill wrote:"The Pope must die!" screams Don Corlione

Pope Francis warns mafiosi to repent or 'end up in hell'
Francis's stance on organised crime in contrast with church's perceived former reluctance to criticise mafia bosses
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/22/pope-francis-warns-mafiosi-to-repent-or-end-up-in-hell
Pope Francis has made his strongest attack to date on the mafia, telling organised crime bosses they will end up in hell if they do not "convert" and give up their lives of "bloodstained money [and] blood-stained power". In an echo of John Paul II's appeal to mafia dons to renounce their "culture of death", the Argentinian urged mafiosi to "stop doing evil" as he held an unprecedented meeting with hundreds of victims' relatives in Rome.

"I feel that I cannot conclude without saying a word to the protagonists who are absent today – the men and women mafiosi," he said, quietly but forcefully. "Please change your lives. Convert yourselves. Stop doing evil." (cont.)


Is he talking to himself ?
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#6  Postby Briton » Apr 02, 2014 2:25 pm

...give up their lives of "bloodstained money [and] blood-stained power".


Oh the irony.
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#7  Postby DougC » Apr 03, 2014 10:15 pm

B.B.C. - Queen meets Pope Francis at the Vatican
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#8  Postby DougC » Apr 04, 2014 9:10 pm

B.B.C. - Vatican launches investigation into Cardinal Keith O'Brien
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#9  Postby james1v » Apr 05, 2014 7:08 pm

DougC wrote:B.B.C. - Queen meets Pope Francis at the Vatican



It started off well, but got a bit ugly...

www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/internation ... 4040485417


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#10  Postby DougC » Apr 11, 2014 8:06 pm

B.B.C. - Pope Francis asks forgiveness for child abuse by clergy
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#11  Postby Evolving » Apr 11, 2014 8:45 pm

He does something like this, which makes you think "Good for him"; and then he does something like this (from the linked article):

He said that it is every child’s right to grow up in a family “with a father and a mother”


and you realise they just can't stop doing it. Instrumentalising an apology for an appalling crime in order to push an entirely unrelated agenda.
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#12  Postby virphen » Apr 11, 2014 8:48 pm

The newly appointed Vatican financial head honcho seems to have a different tack on forgiveness: insurance.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/cleaning- ... z2yXAEa8vx
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#13  Postby Evolving » Apr 11, 2014 9:04 pm

The article says
George Pell wants to insure priests against being sued for child sexual abuse.


but I find that a bit hard to believe. Does he, instead, want to insure the church against being liable for sexual abuse committed by some of its employees? That I would understand, and I can't see anything wrong with it. Why shouldn't an insurance company chip in to cover the damages, if it has received premiums for being willing to do that?
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#14  Postby Skinny Puppy » Apr 11, 2014 9:07 pm

virphen wrote:The newly appointed Vatican financial head honcho seems to have a different tack on forgiveness: insurance.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/cleaning- ... z2yXAEa8vx



Time to put the Lord’s house in order... :pray:

• Fire insurance... Image
• Car insurance... Image
• Mortgage insurance... Image
• Life insurance... Image
• Fucking young boys insurance... Image

I think that covers the “bare” necessities.
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#15  Postby Evolving » Apr 11, 2014 9:14 pm

And that makes what point, Puppy?

If I am in charge of managing the finances of a large corporation like the Vatican and I recognise that some of my employees have been in the past and, for all I know, are still guilty of crimes of which I and the organisation I work for absolutely don't approve, and have thereby exposed my organisation to significant liabilities - why shouldn't I look for a financial services provider who will help me to hedge that risk for a fee?
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#16  Postby virphen » Apr 11, 2014 9:18 pm

Evolving wrote:The article says
George Pell wants to insure priests against being sued for child sexual abuse.


but I find that a bit hard to believe. Does he, instead, want to insure the church against being liable for sexual abuse committed by some of its employees? That I would understand, and I can't see anything wrong with it. Why shouldn't an insurance company chip in to cover the damages, if it has received premiums for being willing to do that?


From a pure business point of view, nothing of course, although it's an interesting view that the organisation that supposedly represents all that is good in the universe would specifically have to take out insurance for this thing in particular. And it fits very well with the theme of church tactics in other jurisdictions, such as transferring millions of dollars into cemetery trusts where it couldn't be touched by compensation claims.

Overall I think it would actually be a good thing, because no insurance company in their right minds would accept such insurance unless the church actually did everything in it's power to reduce its liability, which would at least give them a greater motivation to avoid just shuffling kiddie-molesting priests from parish to parish. Doing the right thing didn't work for them very well, making money talk might do better.
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#17  Postby Skinny Puppy » Apr 11, 2014 9:18 pm

Evolving wrote:And that makes what point, Puppy?

If I am in charge of managing the finances of a large corporation like the Vatican and I recognise that some of my employees have been in the past and, for all I know, are still guilty of crimes of which I and the organisation I work for absolutely don't approve, and have thereby exposed my organisation to significant liabilities - why shouldn't I look for a financial services provider who will help me to hedge that risk for a fee?


Just one word: Coverup
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#18  Postby Evolving » Apr 11, 2014 9:28 pm

virphen wrote:
Evolving wrote:The article says
George Pell wants to insure priests against being sued for child sexual abuse.


but I find that a bit hard to believe. Does he, instead, want to insure the church against being liable for sexual abuse committed by some of its employees? That I would understand, and I can't see anything wrong with it. Why shouldn't an insurance company chip in to cover the damages, if it has received premiums for being willing to do that?


From a pure business point of view, nothing of course, although it's an interesting view that the organisation that supposedly represents all that is good in the universe would specifically have to take out insurance for this thing in particular. And it fits very well with the theme of church tactics in other jurisdictions, such as transferring millions of dollars into cemetery trusts where it couldn't be touched by compensation claims.

Overall I think it would actually be a good thing, because no insurance company in their right minds would accept such insurance unless the church actually did everything in it's power to reduce its liability, which would at least give them a greater motivation to avoid just shuffling kiddie-molesting priests from parish to parish. Doing the right thing didn't work for them very well, making money talk might do better.


I'm confident that the catholics I used to know are horrified, humiliated and devastated that "this thing in particular" has been happening in their church, before they even start to think about the effect this is having on the donations they have been making all their lives in good faith.

Sadly it's probably true that a financial incentive might have assisted in clamping down on these crimes sooner. Today, I doubt that any such effect can be expected: even the most catatonic of troglodyte Vatican insiders must be agonisingly aware of the reputational devastation the church has suffered as a result, not only of the crimes themselves, but of its shocking failures in reacting to them.
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#19  Postby Fenrir » Apr 11, 2014 11:30 pm

I'm fairly sure any attempt to insure yourself against a crime you may commit in the future would be illegal in many jurisdictions.
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#20  Postby james1v » Apr 12, 2014 2:05 am

virphen wrote:The newly appointed Vatican financial head honcho seems to have a different tack on forgiveness: insurance.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/cleaning- ... z2yXAEa8vx



And, if they lose their "no claims bonus", do they get sacked, due to the expense? :think:
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