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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#61  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Dec 29, 2013 5:00 pm

I'm an adult. I don't work for you. Giving me directions isn't going to fly.
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#62  Postby Mick » Dec 29, 2013 5:00 pm

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Mick wrote:I didn't ask what question begging is. I asked which question I "begged".


"Are actions objectively moral?"


Hah. Give me a break. That question is irrelevant to whether it is immoral to do that of which we speak. You clearly don't know what question is at stake!


I don't think you do either. At this point all of your posts are looking like smoke-screen and diversion to try to avoid answering in a straight manner why some penile misuse frustrates natural ends such that that they're considered highly immoral while others aren't much of a bother.

Frustrate? Now, you're getting it.
Notice that this question is quite different than the one he asked of us in the OP. Yet, he will pass it off as it is the same question.
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#63  Postby Animavore » Dec 29, 2013 5:00 pm

Mick wrote:
Rachel Bronwyn wrote:OK, so opposition to using one's dick for anything but peeing and getting ladies pregnant is based on religious belief.


There is no such Catholic or natural law theorist objection, either in religious or secular ethics. Read my first response to the OP. Pay close attention to the stuff about being contrary to the function or telos.


You never explained this in detail. You just made an assertion that nothing about penis puppetry frustrate its natural ends. You never gave reasons why this is so. It was hand-waving at its finest/
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#64  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Dec 29, 2013 5:01 pm

He used the same words in the OP.
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#65  Postby Mick » Dec 29, 2013 5:01 pm

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:I'm an adult. I don't work for you. Giving me directions isn't going to fly.


I'm referring you. If you don't want an understanding, try another thread.
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#66  Postby Animavore » Dec 29, 2013 5:01 pm

Mick wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Mick wrote:
Animavore wrote:

"Are actions objectively moral?"


Hah. Give me a break. That question is irrelevant to whether it is immoral to do that of which we speak. You clearly don't know what question is at stake!


I don't think you do either. At this point all of your posts are looking like smoke-screen and diversion to try to avoid answering in a straight manner why some penile misuse frustrates natural ends such that that they're considered highly immoral while others aren't much of a bother.

Frustrate? Now, you're getting it.
Notice that this question is quite different than the one he asked of us in the OP. Yet, he will pass it off as it is the same question.

No. It's not different at all. It's the same question. It was the whole point of my OP.
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#67  Postby campermon » Dec 29, 2013 5:02 pm

I tried to do the 'wristwatch'. Didn't work.

I guess I've got abnormally thick wrists.

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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#68  Postby Mick » Dec 29, 2013 5:03 pm

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:He used the same words in the OP.


Nope. The whole contrariness or frustration aspect is not a part of the OP, and yet it is essential to the case made by Catholics and natural law dudes.
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#69  Postby Animavore » Dec 29, 2013 5:04 pm

Mick wrote:
Rachel Bronwyn wrote:He used the same words in the OP.


Nope. The whole contrariness or frustration aspect is not a part of the OP, and yet it is essential to the case made by Catholics and natural law dudes.


Yes it was. From the OP.

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According to Thomism this use of the penis as a tool of comedy is going against its natural end as an organ to impregnate women and this show could be considered 'disordered', yet the proponents of Thomism, largely the Catholic Church, have been incredibly silent on this heresy.



going against = frustrate
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#70  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Dec 29, 2013 5:09 pm

NOPE! NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE! NOPE!

(The rest of us had no problem understanding what you were communicating, Ani.)
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#71  Postby Scarlett » Dec 29, 2013 5:10 pm

campermon wrote:I tried to do the 'wristwatch'. Didn't work.

I guess I've got abnormally thick wrists.

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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#72  Postby campermon » Dec 29, 2013 5:11 pm

Scarlett wrote:
campermon wrote:I tried to do the 'wristwatch'. Didn't work.

I guess I've got abnormally thick wrists.

:ask:


I hope you washed your hands! :yuk:

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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#73  Postby Scarlett » Dec 29, 2013 5:14 pm

campermon wrote:
Scarlett wrote:
campermon wrote:I tried to do the 'wristwatch'. Didn't work.

I guess I've got abnormally thick wrists.

:ask:


I hope you washed your hands! :yuk:

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Who said that?
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Mick's god, I think it was beside the bit that said "Thou shalt use tongs to pee" :angel:
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#74  Postby Mick » Dec 29, 2013 5:14 pm

Animavore wrote:
Mick wrote:
Rachel Bronwyn wrote:He used the same words in the OP.


Nope. The whole contrariness or frustration aspect is not a part of the OP, and yet it is essential to the case made by Catholics and natural law dudes.


Yes it was. From the OP.

Animavore wrote:

According to Thomism this use of the penis as a tool of comedy is going against its natural end as an organ to impregnate women and this show could be considered 'disordered', yet the proponents of Thomism, largely the Catholic Church, have been incredibly silent on this heresy.



going against = frustrate


Ah, so we at least have an agreement that that exact wording was not used. Let's address whether the description is the same. When we talk about frustration, we mean that something is preventing it from doing its end. A condom is a good example, or so they think. Contrariness would be using it in a way that is a perversion of a sort. Where is this described in the above?
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#75  Postby Regina » Dec 29, 2013 5:27 pm

campermon wrote:I tried to do the 'wristwatch'. Didn't work.

I guess I've got abnormally thick wrists.

:ask:

There you have it! It should be banned because kids will try it and hurt themselves. :nono:
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#76  Postby Animavore » Dec 29, 2013 5:41 pm

Mick wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Mick wrote:
Rachel Bronwyn wrote:He used the same words in the OP.


Nope. The whole contrariness or frustration aspect is not a part of the OP, and yet it is essential to the case made by Catholics and natural law dudes.


Yes it was. From the OP.

Animavore wrote:

According to Thomism this use of the penis as a tool of comedy is going against its natural end as an organ to impregnate women and this show could be considered 'disordered', yet the proponents of Thomism, largely the Catholic Church, have been incredibly silent on this heresy.



going against = frustrate


Ah, so we at least have an agreement that that exact wording was not used. Let's address whether the description is the same. When we talk about frustration, we mean that something is preventing it from doing its end. A condom is a good example, or so they think. Contrariness would be using it in a way that is a perversion of a sort. Where is this described in the above?


I'm not playing a game of semantics with you.

Look, the whole point of this thread was to get to the bottom of teleos and discover why some misuses of the penis are considered worse than others, and you had an opportunity to explain and elucidate this philosophy with your extensive knowledge of Thomism, but instead you've done nothing but try to frustrate those ends.

Hopefully another Thomist will come along and share their knowledge with us. This thread wasn't, after all, designed with you in mind ;)
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#77  Postby orpheus » Dec 29, 2013 5:42 pm

campermon wrote:I tried to do the 'wristwatch'. Didn't work.

I guess I've got abnormally thick wrists.

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Raising pints of beer will build up those muscles, yes.

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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#78  Postby The_Metatron » Dec 29, 2013 5:45 pm

Catholics telling others what not to do with their dicks. That just doesn't add up.
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#79  Postby quisquose » Dec 29, 2013 6:59 pm

campermon wrote:I tried to do the 'wristwatch'. Didn't work.

I guess I've got abnormally thick wrists.

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Wrists like a baby's arm?
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#80  Postby willhud9 » Dec 29, 2013 7:56 pm

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Okay. Well, I don't see how you can say that they do.

What now? Someone is going to need to make an argument. This is your thread. You're the one who is pointing to something you suspect is an inconsistency. Make your case.


I have made my case. The Church are completely inconsistent with how they handle penile misuse. Where's the call to ban this show? Where's the condemnation from bishops and clergy? Where's the call to Catholics to avoid this sort of thing and help legislate against it?

To say that misuse of genitalia when it's gay "frustrates its natural ends" but not so when used in a non-gay way is begging the question.


Is that penis missuse? I don't remember any thing from the church saying a penis can only go in a vagina and can never be used for anything else.
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