Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#121  Postby Cito di Pense » Dec 30, 2013 12:08 pm

This is all clearly a case of the telos wagging the dong.
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#122  Postby Shrunk » Dec 30, 2013 12:21 pm

Mick wrote:the action does not keep the penis from performing its natural ends nor does it frutrate the release of urine or a moral sex act.


But celibacy doesn't. :rofl:
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#123  Postby Shrunk » Dec 30, 2013 12:23 pm

quas wrote:I don't see HOW this should be outrageous. These puppetry tricks is more or less mere touching. Is touching wrong then? Being anti gay/anal sex is more analogous to being anti oral sex.


I wonder what the Church's position on the puppetry would be if it was done, not for the entertainment of an audience, but because it turned on one or both parther(s) of a gay couple? What of in a straight couple? :ask:
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#124  Postby Shrunk » Dec 30, 2013 12:24 pm

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:The puppetry isn't even that impressive.


Do tell. :)
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#125  Postby Animavore » Dec 30, 2013 12:31 pm

Mick wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Mick wrote:
Rachel Bronwyn wrote:OK, so opposition to using one's dick for anything but peeing and getting ladies pregnant is based on religious belief.


There is no such Catholic or natural law theorist objection, either in religious or secular ethics. Read my first response to the OP. Pay close attention to the stuff about being contrary to the function or telos.


You never explained this in detail. You just made an assertion that nothing about penis puppetry frustrate its natural ends. You never gave reasons why this is so. It was hand-waving at its finest/


the action does not keep the penis from performing its natural ends nor does it frutrate the release of urine or a moral sex act ( all moral sex acts are unitive and or procreative, the Catholics believe.). If the manipulation caused infertility, then there might be an issue here.


Gay sex acts can be unitive. :dunno:

Also, as pointed out, gay sex doesn't, ultimately, keep the penis from performing its natural ends of the penis any more than puppetry. Neither does using a condom or masturbating if we're going to play this game.

So the Catholic objection in view of modern science still has trouble making sense.
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#126  Postby quas » Dec 30, 2013 12:32 pm

Well, I mentioned how not impressed I was a few pages back. I have heard of this show before, even read it somewhere describing it as "penis origami". So I guess I was expecting to see origami cranes.
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#127  Postby Animavore » Dec 30, 2013 12:36 pm

I only printed the first three items I found on the image search. They have loads of them. I don't see why people are judging it without seeing the show. The pictures miss out on the dialogue and commentary which goes along with the tricks also.
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#128  Postby Shrunk » Dec 30, 2013 12:38 pm

Animavore wrote:Also, as pointed out, gay sex doesn't, ultimately, keep the penis from performing its natural ends of the penis any more than puppetry.


And, again, celibacy does so at least as much. :coffee:

"Natural ends of the penis." This isn't becoming another circumcision thread, is it?
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#129  Postby Animavore » Dec 30, 2013 12:52 pm

Shrunk wrote:
Animavore wrote:Also, as pointed out, gay sex doesn't, ultimately, keep the penis from performing its natural ends of the penis any more than puppetry.


And, again, celibacy does so at least as much. :coffee:

"Natural ends of the penis." This isn't becoming another circumcision thread, is it?


If we're to believe priests don't masturbate (lol) then I would say that would frustrate the penises natural ends more than anything else. Are blue balls a myth? I dunno :dunno:
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#130  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Dec 30, 2013 1:06 pm

Shrunk wrote:
Rachel Bronwyn wrote:The puppetry isn't even that impressive.


Do tell. :)


My partner is an enthusiastic dick trickster and has horrified and impressed me on many occasions with his abilities. I assure you, the wrist watch and Loch Ness monster is kid stuff.

Hilariously, this man is in medical school and I had to tell him that he isn't circumcised. You'd think, between all the time he spends with his penis and having studied anatomy extensively, he would know....
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#131  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Dec 30, 2013 1:08 pm

How is sex with someone of the same sex any less unitive than straight sex?
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#132  Postby hackenslash » Dec 30, 2013 1:10 pm

quas wrote:Well, I mentioned how not impressed I was a few pages back. I have heard of this show before, even read it somewhere describing it as "penis origami". So I guess I was expecting to see origami cranes.


As opposed to origami chicken-necks? :lol:

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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#133  Postby Animavore » Dec 30, 2013 1:13 pm

Rachel Bronwyn wrote: I assure you, the wrist watch and Loch Ness monster is kid stuff.


I'd love to see a child get his penis around his wrist.


Eh, I mean.... shit.

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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#134  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Dec 30, 2013 1:15 pm

You are so cute.
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#135  Postby Darwinsbulldog » Dec 30, 2013 4:47 pm

Mick wrote:
SafeAsMilk wrote:Gay sex doesn't keep the penis from performing its natural ends either, you can still pee or cum in a vagina later if you want.

I'm taking a wild guess that what constitutes a "moral sex act" is pulled out of thin air.


Pee or cum in a vagina? I think you skeptics might be a little confused where the pee goes.

The issue is not where the "cum" ends up. The act itself has to be unitive an procreative, they say. Catholics have a special view of sex-it is almost spiritual, sacred and special.


Yes, their god made it so special that an average healthy male can produce about 10 billion haploid humans a month. So even if a man sires a child a year, that still leaves 10 billion wasted haploid lives per month for most of his life. Good design and ethics there god. Well done. :drunk: :drunk:

And he gets really worried if some males stick it in other males? Seriously? Creates a whole fucking universe, waits about 10 billion years, fucks around with slime moulds trilobites and dinosaurs and what not until he eventually creates a paranoid ape that thinks it has to worship something for which there is no evidence??

Yes, the Catholic Church and its wet dreams about imaginary superheros is sacred, spiritual and special all right. A pity they can't keep their penises out of children.
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#136  Postby scott1328 » Dec 30, 2013 5:36 pm

Mick wrote:

I didn't. It is not immoral for the reason of being contrary to telos of the penis. However that doesn't suggest it is not immoral for other reasons.


What are those reasons? Do you condemn it as immoral on your own authority?
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#137  Postby Nebogipfel » Dec 30, 2013 7:13 pm

Mick wrote:Catholics have a special view of sex-it is almost spiritual, sacred and special.


Special? :snooty: That view of sex is not confined to Catholics, Horatio.
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#138  Postby Regina » Dec 30, 2013 7:21 pm

Nebogipfel wrote:
Mick wrote:Catholics have a special view of sex-it is almost spiritual, sacred and special.


Special? :snooty: That view of sex is not confined to Catholics, Horatio.

Don't be so hard on the guy. Catholicism is all he knows, apparently.
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#139  Postby Animavore » Dec 30, 2013 7:21 pm

Nebogipfel wrote:
Mick wrote:Catholics have a special view of sex-it is almost spiritual, sacred and special.


Special? :snooty: That view of sex is not confined to Catholics, Horatio.


It can be. Mostly it's just something we do because we're bored or because we can.

Or is that just me?
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Re: Puppetry of the Penis: Where's the outrage?

#140  Postby Shrunk » Dec 30, 2013 7:22 pm

Mick wrote:
SafeAsMilk wrote:Gay sex doesn't keep the penis from performing its natural ends either, you can still pee or cum in a vagina later if you want.

I'm taking a wild guess that what constitutes a "moral sex act" is pulled out of thin air.


Pee or cum in a vagina? I think you skeptics might be a little confused where the pee goes.

The issue is not where the "cum" ends up. The act itself has to be unitive an procreative, they say. Catholics have a special view of sex-it is almost spiritual, sacred and special.


I suppose it's not surprising that a bunch of celibates would have some decidedly strange ideas about what sex is, though it remains an open question as to whether that is the cause or effect of their celibacy.

Thankfully, it seems those ideas are by and large not shared by the laiety. At least, if fertility rates are anything to go by:

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