"Street Epistemologist" vs Confident Christian

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"Street Epistemologist" vs Confident Christian

#1  Postby Shrunk » Jun 25, 2017 3:08 pm

This guy has a Youtube channel and he's very good, He doesn't argue or provide contradictory evidence, but just, in a politely relentless way, asks questions to expose the underlying assumptions behind a claim:

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Re: "Street Epistemologist" vs Confident Christian

#2  Postby Tinker Grey » Jun 25, 2017 3:35 pm

This guy is similar. Anthony Magnabosco: https://www.youtube.com/user/magnabosco210
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#3  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jun 25, 2017 3:55 pm

Apropos of nothing; beautiful woman.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#4  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jun 25, 2017 3:59 pm

Good example of the Socratic method in practice.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#5  Postby crank » Jun 27, 2017 2:00 am

She's a towering babeler. And she makes such pretty circles.
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#6  Postby ElDiablo » Jun 27, 2017 4:09 am

Lol!
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Re: "Street Epistemologist" vs Confident Christian

#7  Postby felltoearth » Jul 02, 2017 5:44 am

There is no way I could remain that composed throughout that conversation. I need to work on that.
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#8  Postby I'm With Stupid » Jul 02, 2017 11:33 am

The definition of just giving someone enough rope.
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#9  Postby Matthew Shute » Jul 02, 2017 1:44 pm

AFAIK the term street epistemology comes from Peter Boghossian's book, A Manual For Creating Atheists. It's worth a read if you want some tips for one-on-one dialogues with believers of various stripes, intended to promote critical thinking and doubt. The TLDR version: stay impeccably polite (though there are exceptions to this!); build a rapport; frame encounters as dialogues to get at the truth or the facts of the matter, not debates or intellectual gladiatorial combat; don't argue or put forward a case for atheism or any non-ism, and don't outright state that your interlocutor is wrong or failing at reasoning; but persistently and calmly ask pertinent questions that get at the heart of how the irrational belief in question is maintained. The above video is a great example of the techniques advocated in the book. I think they work best when you're face to face with someone, so you can pick up various non-verbal cues, and you can tell when to push or when to let a telling silence linger.
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#10  Postby surreptitious57 » Jul 02, 2017 9:27 pm

I really like this methodology and I think that it should apply to all types of questions not just religious ones. It should also
apply to oneself as much as anyone else. As no one has a monopoly on wisdom one will be inevitably be wrong about some
things. So learning to be patient with those who think differently to oneself and accepting one is only fallible are strengths
rather than weaknesses towards acquiring greater understanding. If ones world view is grounded in absolute certainty then
one cannot learn anything new. Uncertainty is therefore more desirable and beneficial from an epistemological perspective
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#11  Postby zulumoose » Jul 03, 2017 6:22 am

I am intrigued by the tower of babel reference. Was something actually found with credible links to the biblical reference, is she just unhinged, or is the "find" on the same level of credibility as the various Noah's Arks that have been laughably announced in the past.
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#12  Postby felltoearth » Jul 03, 2017 6:38 am

It's a story about a supposedly omnipotent god who is so threatened by his creation's ingenuity and ambition that he destroyed their creation and made them speak any number of languages, ensuring that his creation will forever be confounded, at odds and ultimately war with each other.

Quite the asshole that god.

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#13  Postby zulumoose » Jul 03, 2017 6:54 am

I know the story, just another mythical representation of how petty and human they imagined their object of worship was, but that wasn't my question.
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#14  Postby Animavore » Jul 03, 2017 7:07 am

I think the answer is simply no.

Great video. I need to acquire those skills.
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#15  Postby Animavore » Jul 03, 2017 7:19 am

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#16  Postby felltoearth » Jul 03, 2017 7:52 am

zulumoose wrote:I know the story, just another mythical representation of how petty and human they imagined their object of worship was, but that wasn't my question.

They think it might reference a ziggurat or sammat. But basically, no.
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#17  Postby I'm With Stupid » Jul 06, 2017 12:49 am

Animavore wrote:I think the answer is simply no.

Great video. I need to acquire those skills.

I prefer the more confrontational style of questioning.

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#18  Postby Animavore » Jul 23, 2017 10:13 am

18th minute for Babel.

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#19  Postby KeenIdiot » Jul 23, 2017 11:15 am

zulumoose wrote:I am intrigued by the tower of babel reference. Was something actually found with credible links to the biblical reference, is she just unhinged, or is the "find" on the same level of credibility as the various Noah's Arks that have been laughably announced in the past.

The tower of Babel seems to have been inspired by an actual ziggurat built in Mesopotamia.
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