I'm so confused.

So are they, apparently.

Video has trouble buffering/loading for me.
Also Dobson's one of the people I actually and genuinly despise.
He's wrecked terrible damage among American families.

So apparently Straight-Gay alliances are all about sex.
And merely hearing that gay = ok at school can get you a deadly disease.

Oh comments disabled, quelle surprise.

Those poor morally straight (get it, get it?) boy scouts:


Notice some of the fake rendered backgrounds btw.

Also this:

Thomas Eshuis wrote:Oh comments disabled, quelle surprise.

Those poor morally straight (get it, get it?) boy scouts:


Notice some of the fake rendered backgrounds btw.

I don't know when Canada started admitting gay Scouts and Scout leaders. It's 1999 at the earliest. In any event, if he says the numbers of Scouts have declined from 500,000 to 70,000 over the past 10 years because of the organization doesn't disriminate against gays, the numbers don't bear that out:

http://www.scoutscan.com/issues/membershipstats.html

He'd still need to demonstrate it's due to the gay agenda and not other influences.

Anyway, isn't the internet great? Everything these people are saying is on record and will be available at the stroke of button til the end of the human race. Could you imagine trying to get a job if there was a film circulating of you ranting about how the ni**ers are ruining the country, and they should all be sent back to Africa? That's the position all these folks will be in within a decade or so. If not sooner.

Thomas Eshuis wrote:He'd still need to demonstrate it's due to the gay agenda and not other influences.

Yes. And if he believes the change in policy was made 10 years ago (which is what he says, regardless of the fact that he's wrong) then it should be obvious to him that that could not be cause of a trend that had been going on long before.

He's a bald faced liar, IOW, shocking as that may be.

FWIW, (and I know I'm a bit nuts):

According to the data provided on Boy Scouts of America's website, their membership declined by 21% between 2000 and 2010 (the most recent figures I could find there). In Canada the drop was 46% over the same period.

Because of the gays? I think you need more data to conclude that.

I can't really think of anyone among my peers, or my kids' peers, who were Scouts. It's just not that much of a thing here. Though my wife was a star with the Girl Guides when she was a young 'un.

Shrunk wrote:FWIW, (and I know I'm a bit nuts):

According to the data provided on Boy Scouts of America's website, their membership declined by 21% between 2000 and 2010 (the most recent figures I could find there). In Canada the drop was 46% over the same period.

Because of the gays? I think you need more data to conclude that.

I can't really think of anyone among my peers, or my kids' peers, who were Scouts. It's just not that much of a thing here. Though my wife was a star with the Girl Guides when she was a young 'un.

My son is a scout. I was a cub. Not quite the same organisation here as over there, but they still have oaths to god (leading to an interesting discussion on hypocrisy, given my kid doesn't really believe in god, but likes scouts enough to hold his hand up and say words). Anyway, the decline in numbers has fuck all to do with allowing acknowledged homosexuals to participate. If anything, it has to do with the rise of information tech. Used to be that if you wanted to know about shit like tying knots and building fires and carrying a knife around, you became a scout. Nowadays you either have no reason to ever think about that shit, you learn (probably wrong stuff) about it in games, or you get on Youtube. Hell, every new skill I've learned in the last 10 years has been available to me because of the Internet.

The fact that someone is homosexual doesn't increase the likelihood that they will prey on youngsters. And allowing acknowledged gay folk into your organisation can only be a healthy thing, because it is suppression that does the harm. If you build a culture in which shit being hidden is the norm. you become blind to the tells. I'm becoming more and more convinced that fucking children has been almost ubiquitous throughout our history as a species, and it's only now that we're collectively realising the harm it entails. Or, rather, our first collective response was to label it "evil" and pretend it wasn't happening. Which is a fucking stupid response to a threat. Pretending the lioness isn't there doesn't stop her eating your face.

I really need to get around to writing that essay.

I've been a scout myself till I was 16, after which due to disagreement with the strict nature of my particular group, I left.
Contrary to the BSA however, mine was a secular group. As many scouting groups in the Netherlands and probably Europe are.
No gods involved. We did have an oath that had to be recited from memory by one person each meeting, but it was about being honorable, respectful and being a teamplayer.
The cubs were based on jungle book and later years on the airforce, with troupes called 'flights' with flight leaders and assistant flight leaders.

Shrunk wrote:Anyway, isn't the internet great? Everything these people are saying is on record and will be available at the stroke of button til the end of the human race. Could you imagine trying to get a job if there was a film circulating of you ranting about how the ni**ers are ruining the country, and they should all be sent back to Africa? That's the position all these folks will be in within a decade or so. If not sooner.

Now, as far as I'm concerned ... and most people I know for that matter.

Anyway, I love the music in the video.

Shrunk wrote:Anyway, isn't the internet great? Everything these people are saying is on record and will be available at the stroke of button til the end of the human race. Could you imagine trying to get a job if there was a film circulating of you ranting about how the ni**ers are ruining the country, and they should all be sent back to Africa? That's the position all these folks will be in within a decade or so. If not sooner.

This is already the case in some countries. If, say, a politician comes out as anti-gay he's basically given hell by everyone else.

WayOfTheDodo wrote:This is already the case in some countries. If, say, a politician comes out as anti-gay he's basically given hell by everyone else.

Same here. If a member of the Canadian Parliament or of any provincial legislature appeared in a movie like this, they'd be kicked out of caucus and their political career would be over unless they could make amends. The furthest a Canadian pol can go is to refuse to attend a Gay-Pride event, and even then they'll catch flack.

But this move includes several prominent American politicians (no prizes for guessing which party) including at least two with serious Presidential ambitions. Obviously they seem to think this helps them.

I know the America bashing on this forum can get tiresome at times, but in this regard it is justifiable.

"I'm Janet Porter, and I was in the dark about the radical agenda to silence "the truth" but, after years of research & observation, there is no longer any doubt. As I wrote in the Criminalization of Christianity, if they can silence "the truth", they will silence the gospel. This film is to expose the assault on our freedoms."

What "truth"?

Notice the switch to 'the assault on our freedoms' ... too bad about anyone else's freedoms

it's more an 'assault' on their "controls"