The good bits of Christianity from atheists' perspectives

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Re: The good bits of Christianity from atheists' perspectives

#21  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 26, 2018 5:12 am

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind?
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Re: The good bits of Christianity from atheists' perspectives

#22  Postby Spinozasgalt » Feb 26, 2018 5:30 am

Oh and Simone Weil.
When the straight and narrow gets a little too straight, roll up the joint.
Or don't. Just follow your arrow wherever it points.

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Re: The good bits of Christianity from atheists' perspectives

#23  Postby surreptitious57 » Feb 26, 2018 6:23 am

Keep It Real wrote:
hadnt heard of the Silver Rule before sur
The Silver Rule ( of LaVeyan Satanism ) is Do unto others as they do unto you

My initial reaction is that I dont like it Reciprocating perceived good behaviour makes sense to me
but reciprocating perceived bad behaviour seems to rather validate it in my eyes as being acceptable

That is not the Silver Rule as generally understood which is the inverse of the Golden Rule and is :

Do not do unto others what they have not done unto you

What La Vey is invoking is recriprocal morality which is not the same as the
Silver Rule because it is based on actions done rather than actions not done
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Re: The good bits of Christianity from atheists' perspectives

#24  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 26, 2018 7:37 am

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Do not do unto others what they have not done unto you

lol that's the most nonsensical "rule" I've ever heard I think - if followed to the letter 24/7 nobody would ever have any interaction with another human being! :ROFL:
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Re: The good bits of Christianity from atheists' perspectives

#25  Postby aban57 » Feb 26, 2018 9:40 am

From Wikipedia :

The Golden Rule (which can be considered a law of reciprocity in some religions) is the principle of treating others as one would wish to be treated. It is a maxim of altruism that is found in many religions and cultures.[1][2] The maxim may appear as either a positive or negative injunction governing conduct:

One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself (positive or directive form).[1]
One should not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated (negative or prohibitive form).[1]
What you wish upon others, you wish upon yourself (empathic or responsive form).[1]

The Golden Rule differs from the maxim of reciprocity captured in do ut des—"I give so that you will give in return"—and is rather a unilateral moral commitment to the well-being of the other without the expectation of anything in return.[3]
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Re: The good bits of Christianity from atheists' perspectives

#26  Postby John Platko » Feb 27, 2018 12:36 am

BlackBart wrote:
John Platko wrote:
BlackBart wrote:Which, once again, was appropriated from the Romans.


It might have gone the way of Lupercalia if it wasnt for the church.


No real reason to conclude that. If the 'church' didn't exist, festivals like Yule and Saturnalia would probably have carried on - humans do like an excuse for a party. We might have got to celebrate both of them.
Further, if we can speculate Lupercalia died out, we can just as easily speculate it morphed into Valentine's day.


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English 18th-century antiquarians Alban Butler and Francis Douce, noting the obscurity of Saint Valentine's identity, suggested that Valentine's Day was created as an attempt to supersede the pagan holiday of Lupercalia (mid-February in Rome). This idea has lately been dismissed by other researchers, such as Professor Jack B. Oruch of the University of Kansas, Henry Ansgar Kelly of the University of California, Los Angeles[28] and Associate Professor Michael Matthew Kaylor of the Masaryk University.[29] Many of the current legends that characterize Saint Valentine were invented in the 14th century in England, notably by Geoffrey Chaucer and his circle, when the feast day of February 14 first became associated with romantic love.[



And of course, none of that alters the fact that Christians hijacked Christmas from elsewhere.


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Re: The good bits of Christianity from atheists' perspectives

#27  Postby BlackBart » Feb 27, 2018 1:43 am

John Platko wrote:
BlackBart wrote:

heresy


It's only heresy if you give a flying fuck.

English 18th-century antiquarians...snip


Whatever. There's still no reason to believe Christmas would have died out without the Church. In fact, if the Victorians hadn't popularised it as the holiday we know today, it just be another tedious excuse for the Child Molester's club to drone on about their inane superstitions and fleece the gullible. The church here is dying on it's arse and Christmas goes from strength to strength.


Somebody else born in a manger?


Let me re-phrase that so you can't be deliberately obtuse;

And of course, none of that alters the fact that Christians hijacked a festival and shoehorned little baby Jesus into it.

I'm quite happy to call it something else...Winterval - whatever -- a party is a party. :coffee:
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Re: The good bits of Christianity from atheists' perspectives

#28  Postby laklak » Feb 27, 2018 4:21 am

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Re: The good bits of Christianity from atheists' perspectives

#29  Postby Matthew Shute » Feb 27, 2018 12:56 pm

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laklak wrote:Put "Christian" in front of anything and it destroys it. Christian Metal. Christian sex. Christians are the most boring fuckers on the planet.

I have to disagree, there's some pretty great Christian metal out there, of both the heavy and death varieties. Part of that is because it's funny, but in some cases the music is actually good too.


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#30  Postby Skinny Puppy » Mar 05, 2018 6:26 pm

Christians are (in my experience):

• The finest group of people that I've ever met.

• They're 100% non-judgmental. Regardless of whatever you've done they will listen to you and never pass judgment on you. They will of course make suggestions about how to change your ways, but they are not allowed to pass judgment on you.

• They're there for you in thick and thin. One call and you have a support group more than willing to give their time and energy to get you through whatever troubles you're facing.

• There's a community spirit within the group that's hard to put into words. It's as if they're more like a caring family than just friends or acquaintances.

• There's nothing that you can say that will shock them. We all have failings and they accept that and want to help you, not to condemn or to criticize you.


• Regardless of the subject, you can have a civil discourse with them. Tempers never flair and you can speak your piece without interruption. Any rebuttals to your POV are always done with respect.
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Re: The good bits of Christianity from atheists' perspectives

#31  Postby scott1328 » Mar 05, 2018 6:36 pm

So this is opposite day, is it?
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Re: The good bits of Christianity from atheists' perspectives

#32  Postby Animavore » Mar 05, 2018 6:48 pm

My experience with Christians is that they are as varied as anyone else and to say that they are all, all of them, 100% anything contradicts one of the fundamental facts of life; that there is variation among individuals in a species. It's pretty much one of the driving forces of the evolution thing.
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#33  Postby Skinny Puppy » Mar 05, 2018 7:07 pm

Animavore wrote:My experience with Christians is that they are as varied as anyone else and to say that they are all, all of them, 100% anything contradicts one of the fundamental facts of life; that there is variation among individuals in a species. It's pretty much one of the driving forces of the evolution thing.


That's why I said this:

Christians are (in my experience):
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#34  Postby Animavore » Mar 05, 2018 7:10 pm

Skinny Puppy wrote:
Animavore wrote:My experience with Christians is that they are as varied as anyone else and to say that they are all, all of them, 100% anything contradicts one of the fundamental facts of life; that there is variation among individuals in a species. It's pretty much one of the driving forces of the evolution thing.


That's why I said this:

Christians are (in my experience):

You can't possibly be not aware of hate preachers like the Westboro Baptist Church. Or centuries of religious persecution. The Christians "in your experience" are not just the people who live on your road.
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Re: The good bits of Christianity from atheists' perspectives

#35  Postby Animavore » Mar 05, 2018 7:18 pm

I used to hold forgiveness in high esteem, but as the World is increasingly shifting to a hard Right and hatred and scapegoating are rearing their ugly head. As people are actively voting for groups who wantonly engage in the destruction of our wildlife and environment, pushing more extreme weathers and conditions which will affect millions of lives, livelihoods, and homes - against all reasonable advise - I'm finding forgiveness in very short supply right now.

I guess forgiveness only works for small sleights. Not meant for people who are pursuing threatening your way of life.
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Re: The good bits of Christianity from atheists' perspectives

#36  Postby SafeAsMilk » Mar 05, 2018 7:22 pm

Matthew Shute wrote:
SafeAsMilk wrote:
laklak wrote:Put "Christian" in front of anything and it destroys it. Christian Metal. Christian sex. Christians are the most boring fuckers on the planet.

I have to disagree, there's some pretty great Christian metal out there, of both the heavy and death varieties. Part of that is because it's funny, but in some cases the music is actually good too.


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Mortification? Vengeance Rising? Living Sacrifice? Bride? I mean, have you ever actually listened to any? Granted you've got a narrow window from the late 80's to mid 90's when these bands were good, but I'd say that about most metal from that period.
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Re: The good bits of Christianity from atheists' perspectives

#37  Postby Animavore » Mar 05, 2018 7:34 pm

I used to, actually many people did, think that Slayer were a Satanic band, but I recently found out they are all Christian. Therefore; Christian metal is (can be) good.
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#38  Postby SafeAsMilk » Mar 05, 2018 7:44 pm

If being Christian makes your metal band Christian metal, then that covers most of them. I think it has more to do with the lyrical content, myself.
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#39  Postby SafeAsMilk » Mar 05, 2018 7:53 pm

What about Deliverance? And Tourniquet? You might argue that Savatage is a Christian metal band, but I wouldn't go that far.
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Re: The good bits of Christianity from atheists' perspectives

#40  Postby surreptitious57 » Mar 05, 2018 7:53 pm

Slayer are not a Christian band but a metal band that just all happen to be Christian
By that bizarre logic Black Sabbath were also a Christian band as they were Catholic

A Christian band would be one that openly references this in their music and lyrics
Therefore just being a Christian is not good enough because it is merely incidental
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