The short gMark was written after c 93 CE.

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The short gMark was written after c 93 CE.

#1  Postby dejuror » Dec 09, 2021 4:34 am

Even though the name of the author of the short gMark is unknown it can be deduced that the so-called gospel was invented no earlier than c 93 CE or sometime after the works of Josephus.

There are three fundamental important questions that are answered on examining Christian writings.

1. Was the author of the short gMark a Jew?
2. Was the author familiar with Galilee and its surrounding?
3. Was the author living among Jews?

It is easily confirmed that the author of the short gMark was not a Jew since he did not know the Jewish custom of preparation of a corpse for burial.

In gMark, it is claimed Jesus was crucified and after being buried for about three days visitors to the burial site brought spices to anoint the dead body.

Examine gMark 16

Mark 16:1

And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.


The Markan author has made a fatal error. He is not a Jew.

The Jews do not anoint their dead after they have been buried and even worse after being buried for about three days.

The author of gJohn corrects the error of gMark.

The Jewish custom is to apply spices before burial.

Examine John 19.

John 19.
39 And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight.

40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury


Now, since it is confirmed the author of gMark did not know of Jewish customs at burial so could not have been a Jew then it can be deduced the writer did not live in a community of Jews.

The Markan Jesus story was initially introduced in a non-Jewish community which also knew nothing of Jewish burial customs.
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Re: The short gMark was written after c 93 CE.

#2  Postby dejuror » Dec 12, 2021 1:40 pm

It is confirmed that the author of gMark did not know of Jewish customs for the preparation of a dead body before burial which means the writer was not a Jew and was not living among Jews.

Now, where did the author of gMark get his information for his story about John the Baptist?

The answer is found quite easily after reading at least the very first chapter of the so-called Gospel.

Examine gMark .

Mark 1.4-14
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins……
Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,


Anyone familiar with the works of Josephus would immediately realize that the author of gMark used “Antiquities of the Jews” to get details about John the Baptist.
Examine Josephus’ Antiquities of the Jews written c 93 CE or the 13th year of Domitian.

Antiquities of the Jews 18.5..2.
Now some of the Jews thought that the destruction of Herod’s army came from God: and that very justly, as a punishment of what he did against John, that was called the baptist. For Herod slew him [About Feb. A.D. 32.]; who was a good man, and commanded the Jews to exercise virtue; both as to righteousness towards one another, and piety towards God; and so to come to baptism.
For that the washing [with water] would be acceptable to him, if they made use of it, not in order to the putting away, [or the remission] of some sins [only,] but for the purification of the body: supposing still that the soul was thoroughly purified before­hand by righteousness. Now when [many] others came in crouds about him; for they were very greatly moved [or pleased] by hearing his words..



It is further seen that the John the Baptist story was derived from Antiquities of the Jews when one examines gMark 6 where it is claimed Herod [Antipas] married the wife of his brother..
Mark 6
17 For Herod himself had sent forth and laid hold upon John, and bound him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife: for he had married her.


Antiquities of the Jews 18 5.4
After whose birth Herodias took upon her to confound the laws of our countrey, and divorced her self from her husband, while he was alive, and was married to Herod [Antipas], her husband’s brother by the father’s side..



Not only did the author of gMark use Josephus’ Antiquities of the Jews” but the writer also used his autobiography “The Life of Flavius Josephus”.

Only the Life of Flavius Josephus contains a story where Josephus himself begged Titus for three crucified victims to be taken down from their crosses and one survived.

The Life of Flavius Josephus
….as I came back I saw many captives crucified: and remembred three of them, as my former acquaintance. I was very sorry at this in my mind; and went with tears in my eyes to Titus, and told him of them. So he immediately commanded them to be taken down, and to have the greatest care taken of them in order to their recovery. Yet two of them died under the physicians handsL while the third recovered…



In gMark, it is claimed Jesus of Nazareth was crucified along with two others but only he recovered or was raised from the dead..

Mark 15..27

And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.

Even, the trial of the supposed Jesus of Nazareth was taken from Josephus’ Wars of the Jews” where Jesus the son of Ananus was put before Albinus.

Wars of the Jews 6.5.3
And when Albinus, (for he was then our procurator;) asked him, “Who he was? and whence he came? and why he uttered such words?” he made no manner of reply to what he said…..


Mark 15.4-5
And Pilate asked him again, saying, Answerest thou nothing? behold how many things they witness against thee. But Jesus yet answered nothing; so that Pilate marvelled.



The evidence is clear gMark, the earliest NT Jesus story, was composed after the writings of Josephus or no earlier than at least c 93 CE or after the autobiography of Josephus.
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#3  Postby dejuror » Mar 13, 2022 5:20 am

I have now found probably the most compelling evidence (which was always in plain sight) that all the so-called NT Gospels were written at a very late time (long after c 70 CE).

In the Synoptic Gospels it is claimed when Jesus of Nazareth was crucified that day turned into night for three hours.



Mark 15:33–And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.


Matthew 27:45–Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

Luke 23:44–And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.

Now, it is extremely important to understand that the 3 hour darkness story is complete fiction. It never happened.

Nobody, no-one, anywhere in the whole earth witnessed a 3 hour darkness during the time Pilate was governor of Judea or around c27-37 CE.

If the 3 hour darkness story in the Gospels was told to people in the region who actually lived c 27-37 CE then the crucifixion story would have been immediately known as a pack of lies.


The 3 hour darkness fiction story when the so-called Jesus of Nazareth was crucified in the NT must have been written and circulated when people who lived c 27-37 CE were probably or likely to be dead..

The fiction of the 3 hour darkness at the crucifixion in the Gospels must have been unknown to well known contemporary writers like Pliny the Elder and Philo as is seen in their writings.

Josephus, Tacitus and Suetonius when writing about events c 27-37 CE mention nothing of any 3 hour darkness in the region.

The NT books, not only gMark, are late writings composed no earlier than c 93 CE.
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#4  Postby Cito di Pense » Mar 13, 2022 8:33 am

There's an old saying that goes, "The empty barrel makes the most noise."
Хлопнут без некролога. -- Серге́й Па́влович Королёв

Translation by Elbert Hubbard: Do not take life too seriously. You're not going to get out of it alive.
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#5  Postby Seabass » Mar 13, 2022 8:50 am

I have another old saying in mind...

"One movement, one people, one family, and one glorious nation under god!" —Donald Trump
"Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer!" —Adolf Hitler
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#6  Postby Cito di Pense » Mar 13, 2022 9:12 am

I think the answers to some questions are doled out on a need-to know basis. Demonstrating a need-to-know is sometimes not easy. Special-me basis is not the same as a need-to-know basis.
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Translation by Elbert Hubbard: Do not take life too seriously. You're not going to get out of it alive.
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#7  Postby tuco » Mar 13, 2022 11:11 am

The Markan author has made a fatal error. He is not a Jew.


I actually loled, this is brilliant :)
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#8  Postby Cito di Pense » Mar 13, 2022 11:18 am

tuco wrote:
The Markan author has made a fatal error. He is not a Jew.


I actually loled, this is brilliant :)


We're faced with runaway inflation; the value of the lol is plummeting so badly that it really should become the name of somebody's currency. It's at least as good as "forint" or "zloty", which sound to my ears like characters from Star Wars.

On a more serious note, we had a member banned, and part of the grounds was that he seemed to be using RS as his personal blog. There's no excuse for somebody who puts up walls of text in response to nobody and nothing.

In fact, maybe we can unify all cryptocurrecy and list it as the "lol" on FOREX.
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Re: The short gMark was written after c 93 CE.

#9  Postby hackenslash » Mar 13, 2022 3:03 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:It's at least as good as "forint"


Such a currency would never be adopted in the UK or even the US (despite the prevalence of Italians in the latter). Sounds too much like the greatest existential threat to both countries.

In fact, maybe we can unify all cryptocurrecy and list it as the "lol" on FOREX.


Apparently, Australians couldn't give a FOREX for anything else...

Anyway, the 'three-hour darkness' is easily explained. Haven't these people ever heard of time zones? Witness could have come from the Azores and forgotten to correct his watch. To him, 3am would look like 6 am, and the sun would come up at approximately 9am by his watch.

The real question is this: who fucking cares when a book of fiction of unknown authorship was written? Of all the interesting questions that could ever be asked about Abrahamic religions, this is easily the least interesting and has the least import.
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