South African peace icon condemns use of religious justification for anti-gay prejudice at UN meeting in Cape Town.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/20 ... 04519.html

I think this is great.

Bravo that man. Though sadly it won't have any measurable effect upon rich American fundies.

Tutu says he cannot whorship 'homophobic' God

Whorship will be like submission, then?

Trouble is, this God character does have form with regards to homophobia. It doesn't like the gays. So what is Desmond to do? Abandon Christianity & declare that God is wrong, or explain away the divine homophobia & just carry on being a Christian?

I mean, if he carries on with the Christian worship stuff, he gets into heaven, irrespective of God being a homophobic bigot. He needs to draw God out into the open on this matter. God needs to front up & declare his stance vis a vis homosexuality. That way, Desmond can either tell a homophobic God to sod off, or God can tell the homophobes to do so.

So come on God, where are you?

This guy represents the kind of religion I like.

DougC wrote:This guy represents the kind of religion I like.

Yeah - thousands of miles away from me.

Archbishop Desmond Tutu is a class act

chairman bill wrote:Trouble is, this God character does have form with regards to homophobia. It doesn't like the gays. So what is Desmond to do? Abandon Christianity & declare that God is wrong, or explain away the divine homophobia & just carry on being a Christian?

According to? A strict and narrow, almost fundamentalist interpretation of a select amount of Scriptures? Liberal theologians have addressed the issue of "anti-gay" passages in the Bible.

Calilasseia wrote:Bravo that man. Though sadly it won't have any measurable effect upon rich American fundies.

Nope, but it will have effect on laypeople when they see that not all high profile Christians are against gays.

chairman bill wrote:http://stanfordreview.org/article/homosexuality-and-the-bible/

The article fell short when they said the documentary reinterpreted the Bible.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibl.htm

This is nothing new

willhud9 wrote:

Calilasseia wrote:Bravo that man. Though sadly it won't have any measurable effect upon rich American fundies.

Nope, but it will have effect on laypeople when they see that not all high profile Christians are against gays.

Yup. It's not as monolithic as you might think. My background is European catholic: the acceptance of contraception and even (!) of abortion among nice catholic ladies is far greater than the official line would have you believe. Same thing.

Strontium Dog wrote:

DougC wrote:This guy represents the kind of religion I like.

Yeah - thousands of miles away from me.

chairman bill wrote:Trouble is, this God character does have form with regards to homophobia. It doesn't like the gays. So what is Desmond to do? Abandon Christianity & declare that God is wrong, or explain away the divine homophobia & just carry on being a Christian?

Well the god of the bible doesn't like lots of things that you don't see laws, demonstrations, violence and mass injustices about. The huge increase in homophobia in Africa is driven by fundies from America and the Middle East, and it's good to see a prominent African religious leader position himself in opposition to that.

he should do what people have done in the past when they don't agree with the standard 'god' position - invent a new god.

Welcome to the new Gay-friendly God Tm Jehevoh-lite (less emphasis on smiting Sodamites)

CarlPierce wrote:he should do what people have done in the past when they don't agree with the standard 'god' position - invent a new god.

Welcome to the new Gay-friendly God Tm Jehevoh-lite (less emphasis on smiting Sodamites)

Far too radical. All we need to do is have another reformation.

Apparently thepope has just made a statement that gay people shouldvnot be judged it mistreated. Not taking his word for it though untilthe catholic church stops backing Prop 8 like initiatives and groups and.discriminating against gay people.

Also, more OT, Tutu has made this point before inthe documentary "for the bible tells me so":

Thomas Eshuis wrote:Apparently thepope has just made a statement that gay people shouldvnot be judged it mistreated. Not taking his word for it though untilthe catholic church stops backing Prop 8 like initiatives and groups and.discriminating against gay people.

That's probably just the usual "hate the sin, not the sinner" claptrap. Getting their heads around the idea that homosexuality might not actually be a sin at all takes a little more effort.