What’s with Protestants and Catholics and their hate of knowledge?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89Xv4mV1BIs

In the early years, the Catholics hierarchy was against the reading of scriptures. In that day, to question any dogma was often met with violence. It took Martin Luther to end Catholic monopoly of biblical interpretation yet it can be argued that he did so for political, monetary and not religious reasons. Germany was losing too much wealth to Rome and he used his theses against indulgences to split from the Catholic Church.

Since that day, the Spanish inquisition, and Catholic/Protestant policies have pushes for only the biblical interpretations that have been sanctioned by the various Church hierarchies to be accepted. IOW, they are to control your theosis or apotheosis.
Being a Gnostic Christian, I of course ignore such commands. If you are one of faith then you cannot. You must kowtow to whatever sect you belong to and believe as they believe.

Most Catholics and Protestants I talk to tell me that we are not to judge God. Strange as this condition excludes them of course, as they have judged their God to be good. The rest of us are fine if we agree and since we cannot judge God on our own, we are not allowed to judge anything but good. Judging God as evil is not allowed.

To judge, one needs knowledge first and foremost. Eden shows that God did not want Adam and Eve to have knowledge of good and evil. The early Catholic Church followed suit by burning competing gospels and killing members of other Christian sects that did not convert. Protestant sects and their hierarchies, by insisting that theosis is under their guidance only, also discourage questioning and judging and acquiring knowledge.

“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.
Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”
Martin Luther

What do the churches fear with a more intelligent population?

Are they afraid that with knowledge, people will stop believing in talking animals and other fantasies, miracles and magic and realize that their faith has no clothes?

http://ca.video.search.yahoo.com/search ... =21&tnr=20

Are so called religious folk following religions and Gods or are they following tradition and culture as this following indicates?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYigmGyN ... e=youtu.be

Is that why the various Abrahamic cults are not reconciling their doctrinal differences and not seeking knowledge and unification?
A & E were punished for seeking knowledge and becoming as Gods.

The Church punishes any that seek knowledge that does not match Church dogma. True or not.

Just how stupid does the Church want their adherents? Do they want slaves the same way their God does?

As a believer, just how big of a blinder are you willing to wear to follow your Church and God?

How much B S are you willing to eat from your Church hierarchy to maintain the delusion that you believe in an invisible miracle working absentee super God?

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote:What’s with Protestants and Catholics and their hate of knowledge?

Let's not suggest that this is only a trait of Protestants and Catholics.

proudfootz wrote:They are afraid of losing the power over others that control over what people may think, say, and do gives them.

Adam and Eve story perfect way to start a book about how we ordinary people must accept being controlled by others.

+ 1

Regards
DL

Tbickle wrote:

Greatest I am wrote:What’s with Protestants and Catholics and their hate of knowledge?

Let's not suggest that this is only a trait of Protestants and Catholics.

True.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q

Regards
DL

"Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD. "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool. ~Isaiah 1:18

"But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;" ~1 Thessalonians 5:21

"Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said." ~1 Corinthians 14:29

"He answered: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" ~Luke 10:27

Noted is your sweeping generalization. All I have to do is find one Protestant and one Catholic who does not believe knowledge should be hated and your argument falls to pieces. Granted, many Christians are complacent/don't care to learn more, but that same mentality extends outside christian circles as well. Can I create a thread asking why atheists hate knowledge? On the premise that I know atheists who are dumb as fuck and don't desire to learn anything?

Greatest I am wrote:What’s with Protestants and Catholics and their hate of knowledge?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89Xv4mV1BIs

In the early years, the Catholics hierarchy was against the reading of scriptures. In that day, to question any dogma was often met with violence. It took Martin Luther to end Catholic monopoly of biblical interpretation yet it can be argued that he did so for political, monetary and not religious reasons. Germany was losing too much wealth to Rome and he used his theses against indulgences to split from the Catholic Church.

Since that day, the Spanish inquisition, and Catholic/Protestant policies have pushes for only the biblical interpretations that have been sanctioned by the various Church hierarchies to be accepted. IOW, they are to control your theosis or apotheosis.
Being a Gnostic Christian, I of course ignore such commands. If you are one of faith then you cannot. You must kowtow to whatever sect you belong to and believe as they believe.

Most Catholics and Protestants I talk to tell me that we are not to judge God. Strange as this condition excludes them of course, as they have judged their God to be good. The rest of us are fine if we agree and since we cannot judge God on our own, we are not allowed to judge anything but good. Judging God as evil is not allowed.

To judge, one needs knowledge first and foremost. Eden shows that God did not want Adam and Eve to have knowledge of good and evil. The early Catholic Church followed suit by burning competing gospels and killing members of other Christian sects that did not convert. Protestant sects and their hierarchies, by insisting that theosis is under their guidance only, also discourage questioning and judging and acquiring knowledge.

“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.
Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”
Martin Luther

What do the churches fear with a more intelligent population?

Are they afraid that with knowledge, people will stop believing in talking animals and other fantasies, miracles and magic and realize that their faith has no clothes?

http://ca.video.search.yahoo.com/search ... =21&tnr=20

Are so called religious folk following religions and Gods or are they following tradition and culture as this following indicates?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYigmGyN ... e=youtu.be

Is that why the various Abrahamic cults are not reconciling their doctrinal differences and not seeking knowledge and unification?
A & E were punished for seeking knowledge and becoming as Gods.

The Church punishes any that seek knowledge that does not match Church dogma. True or not.

Just how stupid does the Church want their adherents? Do they want slaves the same way their God does?

As a believer, just how big of a blinder are you willing to wear to follow your Church and God?

How much B S are you willing to eat from your Church hierarchy to maintain the delusion that you believe in an invisible miracle working absentee super God?

Regards
DL

Truthful religion does not establish any clergy and does not sanctify it. It itself springs up and exploits the believers. It is for this that Jesus spoke highly against it.

proudfootz wrote:They are afraid of losing the power over others that control over what people may think, say, and do gives them.

Adam and Eve story perfect way to start a book about how we ordinary people must accept being controlled by others.

The clergy is political; either they themselves want to rule or they support the exploiting ruler and interpret everything to make for the ruler easy to rule; only for worldly gains; in this sense they are only politicians doing wrongs in the name of the truthful religion; strictly speaking they should not be considered religious altogether; they are greedy non-believers.

Tbickle wrote:

Greatest I am wrote:What’s with Protestants and Catholics and their hate of knowledge?

Let's not suggest that this is only a trait of Protestants and Catholics.

You are right; it could be any religion or non-religion.

[quote="willhud9";p="1165667]

"He answered: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" ~Luke 10:27

Noted is your sweeping generalization. All I have to do is find one Protestant and one Catholic who does not believe knowledge should be hated and your argument falls to pieces. Granted, many Christians are complacent/don't care to learn more, but that same mentality extends outside christian circles as well. Can I create a thread asking why atheists hate knowledge? [/quote]

You mention a good point; a Theist could be ignorant as could be an Atheist.

willhud9 wrote:"Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD. "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool. ~Isaiah 1:18

"But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;" ~1 Thessalonians 5:21

"Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said." ~1 Corinthians 14:29

"He answered: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" ~Luke 10:27

Noted is your sweeping generalization. All I have to do is find one Protestant and one Catholic who does not believe knowledge should be hated and your argument falls to pieces. Granted, many Christians are complacent/don't care to learn more, but that same mentality extends outside christian circles as well. Can I create a thread asking why atheists hate knowledge? On the premise that I know atheists who are dumb as fuck and don't desire to learn anything?

You can do as you like but you would likely have to explain why Christianity thought that to gain the knowledge that gives us our moral sense is a fall. That being the knowledge of good and evil of course.

You would also have to show how being as bright as a cow is better than having a moral sense and being truly human.

Regards
DL

proudfootz wrote:
Adam and Eve story perfect way to start a book about how we ordinary people must accept being controlled by others.

I believe that man got evolved and/or got created to its somewhat complete existing form in millions of years; I put a little question here. They say Adam and Eve walked on this earth say a 7000 years ago; and they believed in the Creator God. There must be some other human beings in those times; please name them and tell us if they believed otherwise. I mean; did they they believe that man was evolved in millions of years?

Greatest I am wrote:

willhud9 wrote:"Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD. "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool. ~Isaiah 1:18

"But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;" ~1 Thessalonians 5:21

"Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said." ~1 Corinthians 14:29

"He answered: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" ~Luke 10:27

Noted is your sweeping generalization. All I have to do is find one Protestant and one Catholic who does not believe knowledge should be hated and your argument falls to pieces. Granted, many Christians are complacent/don't care to learn more, but that same mentality extends outside christian circles as well. Can I create a thread asking why atheists hate knowledge? On the premise that I know atheists who are dumb as fuck and don't desire to learn anything?

You can do as you like but you would likely have to explain why Christianity thought that to gain the knowledge that gives us our moral sense is a fall. That being the knowledge of good and evil of course.

How did the the tree of Good and Evil give us our moral sense? Adam and Eve knew what was right and wrong. It was black and white. God says don't do something that something is wrong. God says do something that something is right. With the partaking of the fruit of the tree that simplicity disappeared into shades of grey. It complicated their moral sense, did not give them it. Was nakedness a sin? No, but Adam and Eve thought it was and so covered themselves crudely with clothes they had made. When God asked this, Adam confessed that they did not want God to see them naked, and God would then create better clothes for them since they so desired to be clothed. This kind of story can be found throughout the Old Testament.

You would also have to show how being as bright as a cow is better than having a moral sense and being truly human.

Having a moral sense does not equate with knowledge. Which is the premise of your argument (why do protestants and Catholics hate knowledge) Also having a moral sense does not make one human. Morality is relative and not absolute so how can you make the statement that morality defines being truly human. You cannot because that would mean the definition of being human is different.

Greatest I am wrote:

willhud9 wrote:"Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD. "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool. ~Isaiah 1:18

"But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;" ~1 Thessalonians 5:21

"Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said." ~1 Corinthians 14:29

"He answered: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" ~Luke 10:27

Noted is your sweeping generalization. All I have to do is find one Protestant and one Catholic who does not believe knowledge should be hated and your argument falls to pieces. Granted, many Christians are complacent/don't care to learn more, but that same mentality extends outside christian circles as well. Can I create a thread asking why atheists hate knowledge? On the premise that I know atheists who are dumb as fuck and don't desire to learn anything?

You can do as you like but you would likely have to explain why Christianity thought that to gain the knowledge that gives us our moral sense is a fall. That being the knowledge of good and evil of course.

You would also have to show how being as bright as a cow is better than having a moral sense and being truly human.

Regards
DL

Well, you can blame Christianity for that; but you cannot blame Moses or Jesus or Buddha or Krishna or Zoroaster or Socrates for that; none of them was against knowledge or learning; in fact they were usually called teachers because they taught wisdom.

willhud9 wrote:Having a moral sense does not equate with knowledge. Which is the premise of your argument (why do protestants and Catholics hate knowledge) .

It is just a blanket statement that Catholics/Protestants hate knowledge; they have produced great many scientists; that fact cannot be denied; and some or many of them were priests/pastors and were selfless people and they did in love of humanity; their contribution to knowledge cannot be ignored on rational grounds, in my opinion.

willhud9 wrote:[
Having a moral sense does not equate with knowledge. Which is the premise of your argument (why do protestants and Catholics hate knowledge) Also having a moral sense does not make one human. Morality is relative and not absolute so how can you make the statement that morality defines being truly human. You cannot because that would mean the definition of being human is different.

Ok.
Believe that man is all he can be without a moral sense and that A & E could have morals without knowing good and evil.

I do not have time for those who will not think.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote:

willhud9 wrote:[
Having a moral sense does not equate with knowledge. Which is the premise of your argument (why do protestants and Catholics hate knowledge) Also having a moral sense does not make one human. Morality is relative and not absolute so how can you make the statement that morality defines being truly human. You cannot because that would mean the definition of being human is different.

Ok.
Believe that man is all he can be without a moral sense and that A & E could have morals without knowing good and evil.

I do not have time for those who will not think.

Regards
DL

But there are no morals exhibited without knowing good and evil; a good act done at a proper time or situation knowing good and evil for benefit of the humanity is called moral, in my opinion, otherwise it is an instinct not a moral act.

Greatest I am wrote:

willhud9 wrote:[
Having a moral sense does not equate with knowledge. Which is the premise of your argument (why do protestants and Catholics hate knowledge) Also having a moral sense does not make one human. Morality is relative and not absolute so how can you make the statement that morality defines being truly human. You cannot because that would mean the definition of being human is different.

Ok.
Believe that man is all he can be without a moral sense and that A & E could have morals without knowing good and evil.

I do not have time for those who will not think.

Regards
DL

In other words, someone isn't agreeing with my point of view and therefore I don't want to discuss this with someone who disagrees. That seems like someone who doesn't want to think.

paarsurrey wrote:

Greatest I am wrote:

willhud9 wrote:[
Having a moral sense does not equate with knowledge. Which is the premise of your argument (why do protestants and Catholics hate knowledge) Also having a moral sense does not make one human. Morality is relative and not absolute so how can you make the statement that morality defines being truly human. You cannot because that would mean the definition of being human is different.

Ok.
Believe that man is all he can be without a moral sense and that A & E could have morals without knowing good and evil.

I do not have time for those who will not think.

Regards
DL

But there are no morals exhibited without knowing good and evil; a good act done at a proper time or situation knowing good and evil for benefit of the humanity is called moral, in my opinion, otherwise it is an instinct not a moral act.

I agree. To know morals one must have the knowledge of good and evil.

Experiments show that even babies know right from wrong and choose the right so there may well be instincts involved.

Regards
DL